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My name is Stephen Beard. I live in Indiana. I'm married, I have one daughter and 3 sons, now grown, ...and one grand daughter.
I'm 51 years old.
I'm a Correctional Officer.
And I believe that God will save every person.
I believe that it is precicely that Christ died and that He is the propitiation for our sins that we are to know and believe. I don’t believe our believing makes it so... it IS so, therefore we believe.
This might sound like a subtle or trivial difference...but it isn’t. We are not guilty by virtue of Christ’s redemption. This is so, therefore I have faith. I don’t have faith to make it true...that gets the cart before the horse!
This means that, in reality, mankind is not still guilty before God. Mankind is not in it’s sins because of Christ.
During a debate that was held online, my opponent said: "The wonderful news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is that no person has to spend eternity in the Lake of Fire. God made a way out! That way is found in His Son Jesus Christ. ...Christ leads to a person being declared sinless in the eyes of God. This is salvation. ...God declares us... justified in His sight" I wholeheartedly give an AMEN to this. Our disagreement was not on these grounds at all...in fact, I view the whole "eternal torment" idea to be diametrically opposed to what he was in fact saying here.
If what was said here by by debate opponant is true (and I believe it must be) then why insist that, while "no one has to spend eternity in the lake of fire", most people will? Our whole disagreement issues from the idea that the power of this wonderful gospel can no longer be found once one dies. Beleivers in the doctrine of eternal torment insist that the death of the body somehow negates this gospel which does not extend beyond the grave. In other words: People can not have a "way out" once they are in "eternal punishment".
The Gospel becomess a powerful avoidance strategy...but is powerless in actually getting out of punishment because said punishment MUST last forever, in their view.
What is it about physical death that saps the Gospel of all it’s power and provision? Again...the resurrection from the dead is nowhere to be seen at all...at least with any kind of redemptive power...within their dogma. The resurrection becomes the means whereby billions will suffer torment forever...God raises the dead to cast them off forever. He apparently can no longer accept any profession of faith from them, and merely wants to rub their collective noses in their shortfallen wretchedness without end, in spite of the fact He took all sin away!
This becomes the very reason for their resurrection within the plausibility structure that eternal torment represents. That turns what they have declared salvation to be on it’s head!
Now...having said that I will now say this: We are saved from being shortfallen. We are washed clean of all sin. This IS salvation. God saves us from SIN! Not eternal misery.
The potential that eternal misery might be the outcome for man was prevented at the outset... And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever (in an alienated state of rebellion): Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life .
( Gen 3:22-24 )
In the religious doctrine and dogma of eternal torment, the problem is one of anthropology. Specifically...that we never really die, but live forever regardless...even if it is in a shortfallen state that produces nothing but misery. This is the very thing that God wished to prevent from happening here according to this passage of scripture! And DOES prevent! And...there’s more: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only , but also for the sins of the whole world .
( 1Jo 2:2 )
....the WHOLE WORLD! Not just ours...everyone’s!
The way out of sin and the misery it causes...clearly...extends to the whole race.
It follows then that just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which extends to the whole race, so also the result of a single decree of righteousness is a life-giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. For as through the disobedience of the one individual the mass of mankind were constituted sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous.
( Rom 5:18-19 )
who did save us, and did call with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, that was given to us in Christ Jesus, before the times of the ages, and was made manifest now through the manifestation of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who indeed did abolish death, and did enlighten life and immortality through the good news,
(2Ti 1:9-10)
If eternal torment is really true then these verses CANNOT be true. Cross them out, delete them...tear them out of the page...they only confuse the issue of an eternal Hell, after all!
With four words the Apostle Paul puts the issue of eternal torment to rest in 1 Corinthians 15:28 ... God...all in all!
And agian..."Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ".
If any are eternally tormented (or exterminated), then God’s plan is defeated!
God wants humanity saved, but most of humanity are too stubborn to accept His means...the cross. So, the cross is not the all-powerful and universal thing we hope it is, but an offer so weak that a single "no thanks" from a mortal human rebuffs it...according to the doctrine of eternal misery in Hell
How different the Bible really appears!...
Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
( 1Jo 4:13-14 )
Well...we used to, anyway! The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge (1908) by Schaff-Herzog (Volume 12, page 96) "In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known."
Today, it would be fair to say that this situation is reversed.
And, I think this is tragic.
Stay tuned...
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"RECONSTITUTION"
ajpokatavstasi (Transliterated apokatastasis)
1. restorationa. of a true theocracy b. of the perfect state before the fall
This word is used in the Bible in Acts 3:21:
Heaven must receive Him (Jesus) until those times of which God has spoken from the earliest ages through the lips of His holy Prophets--the times of the reconstitution of all things. (Act 3:21 WNT)The word apokatasis is taken from another Greek word:
ajpokaqivsthmi
2. to be in its former state
According to the teaching of the Bible a time is coming when ALL things, that is "all creation", will be restored into harmony with God.
For all creation, gazing eagerly as if with outstretched neck, is waiting and longing to see the manifestation of the sons of God. For the Creation fell into subjection to failure and unreality (not of its own choice, but by the will of Him who so subjected it). Yet there was always the hope that at last the Creation itself would also be set free from the thraldom of decay so as to enjoy the liberty that will attend the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole of Creation is groaning together in the pains of childbirth until this hour.
(Rom 8:19-22 WNT)
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GOD ALL IN ALL
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell
If in this present life we have a hope resting on Christ, and nothing more, we are more to be pitied than all the rest of the world.
But, in reality, Christ has risen from among the dead, being the first to do so of those who are asleep.
For seeing that death came through man, through man comes also the resurrection of the dead. For just as through Adam all die, so also through Christ all will be made alive again.
But this will happen to each in the right order --Christ having been the first to rise, and afterwards Christ’s people rising at His return. Later on , comes the End, when He is to surrender the Kingship to God, the Father, when He shall have overthrown all other government and all other authority and power.
For He must continue King until He shall have put all His enemies under His feet.
The last enemy that is to be overthrown is Death;
for He will have put all things in subjection under His feet. And when He shall have declared that "All things are in subjection," it will be with the manifest exception of Him who has reduced them all to subjection to Him.
But when the whole universe has been made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also become subject to Him who has made the universe subject to Him, in order that GOD may be all in all.
(The Apostle Paul, 1Corinthians 15:19-28 WNT)
The aim of redemption is to let Christ have the pre-eminence in all things. In order to have this first place in all things, Christ must first have the pre-eminence in us. And why? Because we are the firstfruits of all creation (James 1:18). After we are in subjection to Christ, all other things will follow in subjection... Watchman Nee, God’s Plan and the Overcomers
Still, to this day, the one thing which I find it very hard to tolerate, is any thing which libels the character of God. Nothing else matters like this, for all our salvation depends wholly and entirely upon what God is; and unless He can be proved to be absolutely good, and absolutely unselfish, and absolutely just, our case is absolutely hopeless. God is our salvation, and, if He fails us, in even the slightest degree, we have nowhere else to turn. --- Hannah Whitall Smith, from her autobiography
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