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Meet My Ancestors:
The Mountain Meadows Massacre
Meet My Relatives: Lifting the Veil of Polygamy
Compare the Book of Mormon vs. The Bible
This is just cute! Finally, some honesty!
Mormon Betty
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Homosexuality And Mormon Teachings:
ex-gay; Young Mormon man tries to overcome his homosexuality.
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A Funny Version of the Book of Mormon Stories
The Mormon boys arrive.
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On a More Sickening Note - You Better Take Your Tums!
Shocking!
Mormon Conspiracy
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Rich Mullins
Dumb and Dumber, The Great Debaters.
Rent Movies, make popcorn, snuggle on couch.
Darkroom by Christopher Shubert!
A must read for anyone wanting out of legalism, perfectionism, and works for God.
Healing Spiritual Abuse, by Ken Blue
The Narcissistic Abuser
The second classic type of spiritual abuser is the heroic, grandiose or
messianic narcissist who is obsessed by a desire to be someone great or
to do something unprecedented for God. Carrying out this fantasy
requires the cooperation of others and access to their money. Like the
first type, this leader may not consciously wish to hurt anyone; but
others ARE hurt as they are used for the leader's and God's "higher
purposes."
Sometimes the first and second category of leader combine in one
person. The most obvious examples are the major cult leaders. In the
political realm, a defective ego combined with a messianic complex and
access to great power produces a Hitler, a Mussolini or a Stalin.
Like the first type of abusive leader, narcissistic abusers are very
complicated. In some ways they are even more dangerous than the
insecure abusers, because they appear so virtuous, so committed, so
gifted and sold out to God. They are also more dangerous because they
are determined not just to protect themselves but to have themselves
worshiped. They want more than just a safe place for themselves: they
want themselves glorified.
The potential for adult narcissism has roots in our childhoods. Most
little boys (and I am told, some little girls) go through a
narcissistic stage where they imagine themselves performing heroic
feats for those they look up to. I know I did. I can vividly remember
rehearsing in my six-year-old mind a dramatic rescue of my family and
my first-grade teacher, Miss Trimble, from a burning building.
Superman and Tarzan were my models. This is a state that time and
reality temper in most people.
But heroic leaders have never outgrown their childhood fantasies. The
soul of the true narcissist has managed to withstand the process of
maturation. Adult narcissists cling to the dream of one day doing
something truly exceptional and unprecedented for adoring fans and for
God. They fantasize about writing a bestseller that will change the
course of church history, or evangelizing the nation, or establishing
the "one true church" or alleviating world hunger, or becoming a
commander in God's end-times army. They have a grandiose sense of
self-importance. They feel entitled to unlimited success. They
believe that they deserve human adulation as well as divine favor.
Narcissistic leaders tend to devalue others in order to maintain their
exaggerated sense of self-importance. They become frustrated or
annoyed at others' pain if it gets in the way of their own wants.
Narcissistic leaders are not just cunning con artists. They really
believe they are entitled to public greatness and that the needs of
others around them are of no importance.
They are potentially dangerous because they need followers to applaud
their vision and virtues and to justify their actions. Their greatest
fear in life is being unimportant, nameless and faceless.
The most accessible platform for such a leader, sadly, is the pulpit.
His initial session behind the pulpit may be the first time he ever
experiences the attention and power he craves. If he is truly gifted
and is willing to work hard, he sees the possibility of realizing his
dream. When a measure of that dream is realized and the messianic
leader finally tastes the power he craves, he wants more of it. It
becomes a kind of addiction.
In order to achieve the public support he needs, the leaders often make
extraordinary claims for themselves or have others make them in their
behalf. Such claims include a special anointing, unusual personal
sacrifice, unprecedented encounters with God, unique training, a
singular teaching or leadership gift, a revelation of truth that is not
available to others, or secret knowledge of God's end-times purposes.
These and other claims imply that God has a special calling on this
leader, and so it is the "unspecial" people's duty to admire and follow
him, which they often do in droves.
Messianic claims to greatness are often crude and straightforward, but
sometimes they are more subtle. I recently overhead a Messianic-type
leader preaching to his congregation from Hebrews 13:17; "Obey your
leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men
who must give an account." The essence of his message was that the
church had to obey him and submit to him; otherwise he would have to
give an account. If they did not obey and submit, he explained, God
would judge him and send him to hell. I was amazed at the terrible
exaggerated sense of self-importance, but stunned that his congregation
bought it! They left muttering to one another that now they really
must try to become more obedient and submissive.
Once a leader's claims to specialness and importance are established,
it becomes very difficult for mere followers to challenge him. In time
this leader breaks free of all accountability. This enables him to act
as he pleases while exercising control over followers.
But it's not always easy to keep control. People have needs of their
own, and sooner or later they feel them and want them met. The
messianic leader tries to keep them from acknowledging or expressing
their needs by promising them something better in the future. In order
to subvert them from living honestly today, he promises them, "Revival
is just around the corner," or "The great move of God is just ahead."
Keeping followers out of touch with today enables him to continue
operating in his own interest.
Another tactic of keeping people out of touch with the present is to
foment confusion, punctuated by crisis. Policies may be handed down
and programs launched which seem to fit no coherent pattern.
Prophecies are given that conflict with the ones uttered last week, but
no explanation is offered. The resulting turmoil keeps people from
finding out what is really going on. This serves to cover up the fact
that almost no productive activity may be occurring and that the little
that does happen requires an inordinate amount of effort. Because no
one (except those at the top) knows what is happening, gossip is
rampant.
Crisis is sometimes needed to further muddy the waters.
Enemies--demonic, political or ecclesiastical- -are invented to promote
an "us-versus-them" siege mentality. The leader often sounds as if his
group is at war with the world. This keeps followers looking outward
so that they will have no energy or will to examine their own painful
emotions and broken relationships.
A most effective means of control for a messianic leader is to convince
his followers that they are on an extraordinary mission with him. If a
leader successfully convinces his followers that he is the unique
instrument of God, that makes THEM unique by virtue of their support of
him. This group may say or imply such things as "We are a special move
of God," "We are God's cutting-edge for this generation," or "We are in
training for God's end-times army."
Once this attitude is rooted in a group, the combination of pride and
fear keeps followers in formation. Everyone wants to feel special, and
some get hooked on the exhilaration of being part of an elite. Others
fear leaving lest they miss God's will and be accused of deserting his
special calling. This leads us to the question of who gets hooked by
Messianic leaders and who volunteers for the abuse they inflict.
Who Gets Hooked And WHY
Most of us want heroes. We want someone who understands and is able to
cope with a world that is so obviously out of control. We want a
father or a big brother to lean on--someone to cosign our lives. If we
think we have found him, we will give him incredible power and
latitude. We are likely to overlook his mistakes, rationalize his
inconsistencies and excuse his sins against us. We may act as if it is
a privilege to be used and misused for his noble cause. We would
rather be compliant victims than be on our own and part of nothing
important. The sacrifice of our individuality is a small price to pay
for being part of his special group.
The young and idealistic are especially vulnerable to messiahs. They
have lived long enough to know that the world, including their own
lives, is a mess, but they have not lived long enough to realize that
any solution is complex. The self-designated messiahs give easy,
black-and-white answers to problems.
Youth who are conscious of their weakness gravitate to leaders who seem
to posses wisdom and strength. They may feel powerless against
temptation and sin and want someone to make decisions and prescribe
boundaries for them. They want the true New Testament church, where
things are done right. The immature want someone to be mature and
certain for them.
Young people are also drawn to a cause. It may seem noble to them to
submit to extreme religious demands in order to "make a difference."
The idea of being one of God's chosen is intoxicating. But escape may
be part of the attraction. Submitting to a cause, just like taking
drugs or alcohol, is an escape from growing up and establishing a
personal identity.
Lack of sophistication is also a hazard for the young and
inexperienced. They have not had enough experience with people in
general, and leaders in particular, to make good judgments about them.
If a leader claims to know the answers and acts sure of himself, young
people may believe him. If a messianic leader takes for himself the
"seat of Moses" (this is a metaphor for a place of authority and
worship the Pharisees used) they may let him have it.
As previously noted, the messianic leader promises something in the
future to subvert honest living today. Yet some of his followers'
needs finally become so acute that they are forced to make a change.
If they conquer their pride in being part of a spiritual elite and rise
above the fear of missing God's will, they may still be kept in line by
another force. They may reason, "I have already invested so much in
this leader and group--I can't abandon my investment. Maybe in time it
will really pay off, and it will all be worth it."
Continuing to invest in a loser is common phenomenon. An investor who
gets emotionally hooked by a stock may continue buying it even though
it is doomed. Someone who has sunk a lot of money into a used car may
continue to pay for repairs that cost much more than the car is worth.
A wife or a child may cling to a relationship with an alcoholic or a
drug addict in hope that one day he will snap out of it. In the same
way, some followers continue to support a leader who hurts them; they
hope against hope that he will finally deliver.
The Real God
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