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Geck0

I can't forsake you or forsqueek you, Alife my larder, Alife my larder

About Me

I am a thinker, or so I believe. I am getting very disillusioned with the world and the people around me. I cannot understand how people live their lives everyday. It irks me to think that intelligence is slowly disappearing. I try to live through all this; it is hard, but I am coping.
I've decided I am too old-fashioned - with the majority of my thoughts and actions - for the people around me. I am completely misunderstood; from the clothes that I wear, to the music and hobbies I like.

I like to think I am a good person, with morals and such like and people say I am a great person to be around and I believe them (occasionally).

My friends mean a lot to me, particularly my close friends Laura , Louise , Dave, Jenny, Jenni, Becki , Cammie, Neil, Tiki, John (Mulletman), Laura (Swingin' Hep Kitten), Dan, Rosie , John, Sarah and Joanna who all mean the world to me.

A special mention goes out to Pam too, she's kind, loving, generous and is an amazing person, you mean the world to me as a friend, thank you for being there for me.

Nicky and Lesley finally deserve a mention, especially as I have only known them both for a short time. You have both been extremely good to me and I thank you both for it.

I also write poetry. My poetry can be found here: My poetry *click here* . Please tell me what you think of it; both critical and non-critical comments are welcomed.

Aceedgeness!

Narf narf narf!

Fnu fnu fnu!

Some very true words written by Peter Hammill (excerpt from "Still Life" by Van der Graaf Generator (off the "Still Life" album):

Living, if you claim that all that entails is
breathing, eating, defecating, screwing, drinking,
spewing, sleeping, sinking ever down and down
and ultimately passing away time
which no longer has any meaning.

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If you're interested in all things Van der Graaf Generator related, please buy "Van der Graaf Generator - The Book" by Jim Christopulos and Phil Smart, priced at 25 pounds sterling. It is available directly from Phil Smart here: www.vandergraafgenerator.co.uk/book_sell.htm

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My Interests

Listening to my music, drinking, meeting up with all my lovely friends, The Furnace , Genealogy, History, Aviation, Philosophy, Literature, Poetry, Final Fantasy III/VI , as well as FF VII and FF IX and playing Diablo II.
I also enjoy playing two great AD&D world based games: Neverwinter Nights and Planescape: Torment , which are set in the extraordinary worlds of Forgotten Realms and Planescape, respectively.

I also enjoy playing SNES RPGs, here's a list of my favourites:
Lufia series: Lufia & The Fortress of Doom and Lufia II - Rise of the Sinistrals
Final Fantasy Series: Final Fantasy II/IV , Final Fantasy V & Final Fantasy III/VI
Seiken Densetsu series: Secret of Mana (aka Seiken Densetsu 2) and Seiken Densetsu 3
Soul Blazer series: Soul Blazer , Illusion of Gaia and Terranigma or A link to all three games Plus individual games: Bahamut Lagoon (or another link ), Chrono Trigger , EarthBound (aka Mother 2), Tales of Phantasia , Rudra no Hihou (aka Treasure of the Rudras), Romancing SaGa 3 , 7th Saga and Zelda - A Link to the Past

All phenomenal games in their day and still amazing now.

I'd like to meet:

My evil twin .

Pamela , Kenny , Joanna , Melanie , Heather , Katelyn , Sarah , Tashie , , Manderz , Mandi , Scarleast , Chantel and Katie.

Anybody who is willing to chat to me about odd things. Anybody who appreciates me for who I am. Anybody who gives me respect and makes me feel happy.

Music:

Opeth - The Drapery Falls (live)

Alamaailman Vasarat - Jää, Hyvä Mieli (from the 2003 album Käärmelautakunta)

Anekdoten - From Within (live rehearsal)

Koenjihyakkei - Rattims Friezz (from the album Angherr Shisspa). Adapted to fit the film "Ghosts Before Breakfast" by Hans Richter from 1927. Masterliness!


Blues, Jazz, Progressive Rock, JamBand, Southern Rock.

Jam Band/Southern Rock

Allman Brothers Band & ABB (Myspace)
Gov't Mule & Gov't Mule (Myspace)
Derek Trucks Band & DTB (Myspace)
Bela Fleck and the Flecktones - Oh, Victor Wooten's bass grooves... been listening to some live shows, I'm impressed!
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Urban Spacemen (actually from the UK!) - they also have space rock leanings, so may appeal to those who like Gong, Hidria Spacefolk, Hawkwind and Ozric Tentacles

Progressive Rock/Symphonic

Van der Graaf Generator
Peter Hammill
Gnidrolog - Oh wow, these Welsh prog-rockers are great! Reminds me of a cross between Jethro Tull, Van der Graaf Generator and many others, great stuff. Their first two albums are brilliant.
King Crimson
Anglagard
Anekdoten
The Tangent
Wobbler
Par Lindh Project
Bigelf
Pink Floyd
White Willow
Aphrodite's Child (666 album)
Discipline - I'm really enjoying their album, Unfolded Like Staircase, excellent lyrics and vocals by Matthew Parmenter and a sound with obvious influences from Van der Graaf Generator and Genesis, plus a lot more...
Moon Safari - what a great band! This has everything I like in symphonic prog and they're Swedish, which is even better.
The Flower Kings - I'm still trying to get to grips with their debut, I think it'll be a grower
Camel - Nimrodel and Lady Fantasy have just slapped me in the face!
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Som Imaginario - this is an odd Brasilian prog band, their 3rd and final album is their masterpiece, still unsure about there earlier output though
Amagrama - this is a very young prog band from Argentina, I don't think a single member is over 20, but you wouldn't know that from listening to them, this is great stuff! Influenced by the Argentine prog band Crucis (and they do a cover track of theirs too). Great stuff! Very symphonic.
Syzygy - The Allegory of Light is just a great album. I want their previous effort too (under the name of Witsend).
Spektakel - A one-album band, they released Spektakel in 1974, it's great! It's a bunch of German guys, some of whom went onto form Schicke, Fuehrs und Froehling. Lots of Steve Hackett-esque and Fripp-esque guitar playing, with lots of synth and the track "7 Pounds Tommy" goes a bit pyschedelic in the middle, with a sound clip from a woman giving birth to Tommy (who of course is 7 Pounds!). Great stuff! Oh and the lyrics are in English as well, a bonus! For anyone interested (Kenny!), The Laser's Edge have re-released the album with an extra live track.
Gotic - A great, Camel-esque melodic symphonic prog band, hailing from Spain. Very chilled and light on the ears and instrumental too. Great for chilling out to, or when you're busy working, because there are no lyrics, or bombastic moments to concentrate on.
Yes - Everyone in the world knows a Yes song... Relayer is great, better than CttE!

Italian Symphonic Prog

Alphataurus
Locanda delle Fate - Quite possibly my new favourite Italian band, what great music! Great stuff indeed.
Quella Vecchia Locanda - this band are just amazing! Need I say more? No.
Reale Accademia di Musica - some lovely prog on their 1972 debut album, even a Colosseum sounding track, very nice. Features the guitarist from Banco del Mutuo Soccorso
Le Orme - one of the big three Italian symphonic prog bands of the '70s. Felona e Sorona is a sounding like a grower upon first listen
Metamorfosi - Inferno is great, a pleasant surprise
Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra as a great prog album!

RIO/Avant-Prog

Taal - an amazingly original and challenging French band, very much my thing
Alamaailman Vasarat - absolutely crazy Finns! Excellent stuff and very danceable, yet also very depressing at times
Le Silo - What an amazing band! Both of their albums are fantastic. A wonderful Japanese band, featuring the now keyboard player with Koenjihyakkei.
Koenjihyakkei - Yet more crazy Japanese music, this time they're more zeuhl-based, sounding much more like Magma. Again, excellent music.
Henry Cow and Henry Cow (Calyx) - A crazy band indeed! I am really enjoying the album "In Praise of Learning". It's not music to most peoples' ears though!
Skeleton Crew - a wonderful band featuring Fred Frith (Henry Cow) and Toma Cora (Zeena Parkins joined them for their second and last album).
Massacre - an exceptional band featuring Fred Frith, Bill Laswell and Fred Maher. Charles Hayward (Quiet Sun) later replaced Maher on drums. They're releasing a new album this year!
Hoyry-Kone - A Finnish band closely linked to Alamaailman Vasarat (sharing members). Crazy stuff indeed!
Sotos - Just discovered this French band. Very cool stuff. Reminiscent of King Crimson in places and also akin to Univers Zero, Present and Magma. Band have since disbanded, but some of the members have gone onto form Zaar I believe.
Zaar - This is another French band and is the successor to Sotos and features the same drummer and guitarist. Musically they are different though and this is a pleasant surprise. Very cool music, yet still likely to scare most people off! R.I.P. Yan Hazera.
Univers Zero - A cool Belgium RIO/Avant-Prog band. Lots of dark music here, very good stuff indeed.
Present - Roger Trigaux of Univers Zero's more recent band and also very much in the vain of Univers Zero. Excellent stuff once more. Their first two albums are exceptional.
OOIOO - I'm really not sure where to categorise this all-girl Japanese band (fronted by the lass who performed on that The Flaming Lips album), but the three albums I have heard are damned cool! Their new one especially is excellent. A great new discovery for me. I'm naturally going to progress onto Boredoms now, as they also have the same female vocalist.
Astrid Proll - An amazing new prog band from Puerto Rico. Their self-titled album seriously is great! They mix Krautrock, Avant-prog, Canterbury, King Crimson-esque prog and post-rock into some amazing music that is intelligent and imaginative. The 12 minutes long 88MHz reminds me of Krautrock and RIO, like Univers Zero and Present, yet other tracks remind me of King Crimson and Soft Machine (and both together at one point), whilst others are post-rock and ambient. Excellent stuff. my album of the year (yes, ahead of TAIGA!).
Guapo - What an awesome English Zeuhl/Avant/Noise band! Interesting stuff indeed.
Absolute Zero - Another excellent noise based band, featuring the late and great Pip Pyle on drums. Crashing Icons is a masterpiece of an album!

Canterbury scene

Caravan or Caravan (Calyx)
Soft Machine or Soft Machine (Calyx)
Robert Wyatt
Matching Mole
Hatfield and The North or Hatfield and The North (official website)
Egg or Egg (Andy Murkin)
Khan
Gong or Gong (Calyx)
Hugh Hopper - His album "1984" seems very interesting upon first listen, but it'll definitely need further listens
Nicholas Greenwood - The former bass player of The Crazy World of Arthur Brown and Khan, released just one album in 1972, called "Cold Cuts" and it's pretty good stuff! Not especially proggy, but it does occasionally remind me of Egg, Khan and even Keef Hartley Band. Good stuff indeed.
National Health or National Health (Andy Murkin)
Gilgamesh
In Cahoots

Jazz/Fusion

Miles Davis - Also just bought "In A Silent Way", one of the very first jazz/fusion records and featuring John McLaughlin, Joe Zawinul, Chick Corea and Herbie Hancock amongst others. This is also the precursor to the critically acclaimed album "Bitches Brew".
Mahavishnu Orchestra/John McLaughlin
Weather Report
Pat Metheny - Just bought Pat Metheny and Ornette Coleman - Song X: Twentieth Anniversary and what wonderful music indeed! Great stuff!
Nucleus (also part of the Canterbury scene, but more jazz/fusion)
Maneige - this '70s Quebec band have just come my way and oh wow!
Tasavallan Presidentti - Oh wow! Lambertland is great! This is just cool jazz, with elements of funk, even amusing lyrics at times. The only issue I have is the fadeouts, because this album (Lambertland) was released in 1972 I believe, but wow, this is funky! The guitar solo in Dance, oh wow! Oh and they're Finnish and I have a thing for Finnish bands at the moment.
Quiet Sun - Another Canterbury scene linked band. This band had Phil Manzanera on guitar. Phil was previously of Roxy Music and later went on to form 801. A great album indeed, full of juicy guitar licks, solid drumming and excellent synth work (even some mellotron). Very nice indeed.

Progressive Folk

Comus
Jethro Tull
Circulus & Circulus (Myspace)

Progressive Metal

Opeth & Opeth (Myspace)
Ayreon (Arjen Anthony Lucassen)
Tool
Pain of Salvation
Indukti - this is a Polish prog metal band, with an excellent sound. The music includes violin, harp and the vocals of Riverside's Mariusz Duda and an exceptional drummer. A great metal band, maybe for those fans of Tool, Pain of Salvation and King Crimson. It rocks! I prefer them to Tool infact.
Winds - This Norwegian progressive metal band are great, very melodic, using violin and piano to great affect. Expect great metal riffs as well of course. The singer has a great voice as well. There are also deep-voiced spoken word parts through their debut album. After one listen, I like it. I shall next listen out properly to the words, for a full affect.
Anathema - An excellent band, heavily influenced by Pink Floyd, but with great metal touches and an excellent vocalist. Good stuff indeed!
Riverside

Psychedelic/Space Rock

Arzachel - It's all about the final track, ouch! Who needs drugs when you have this, oh wow! Recorded in less than a day way back in 1969 by the members of Uriel and Steve Hillage, this is immense! Especially the final track. I was tired when I listened to it though.
Hidria Spacefolk - an interesting Finnish band that have similarities to Ozric Tentacles, but also have a unique sound of their own. I was rather surprised, as I am not a huge fan of techno based music (not that this is techno per se of course).
Porcupine Tree (Steven Wilson) - Deadwing and Coma Divine (live) are excellent albums!

Proto-prog/Jazz/Psychedelic

Moody Blues - the band that started off my prog listening career! Just simply marvellous, inspirational and beautiful. Justin Hayward was from Swindon, he went to my school, my music teacher was his school friend, Tuesday Afternoon was written in The Town Gardens (I believe - correct me if I am wrong). They are just such an underrated band.
Keef Hartley Band
The Misunderstood
Juicy Lucy
Traffic
Procol Harum
Colosseum
Tempest
H.P. Lovecraft - This American proto-prog bands second album is very good, their debut isn't quite so good, except for one track "The White Ship", but still worth checking out, nevertheless
Mogul Thrash

Art Rock

A.C.T. - They make Coheed and Cambria sound bland! Think of a cross between Co&Ca and Dream Theater, with lots of cheesy synth and quirky lyrics. They're also from Sweden, so that's a bonus too.
Rush - A little cheesy in places, but that's what Art Rock is all about in my book. I'm talking about "A Farewell to Kings" and "Hemispheres" era of course.
Coheed and Cambria
Pure Reason Revolution - an upcoming English Space Art Rock band, with harmonised vocals, spacey synth and a lot more. Their new album has (or is) released, but judging by their mini-album "Cautionary Tales for the Brave", they could have a bright future ahead of them.
The Flaming Lips - I've just bought The Soft Bulletin and it's rather tasty on my ears, I guess Kenny will be pleased I've finally bought something by them! Oh and they're not exactly Art Rock, but I cannot be bothered to create another category!

Blues/Jugband/Folk-Blues

Duster Bennett
Fleetwood Mac (1967-1971)
Peter Green and The Splinter Group
Gary Moore
Skip James
Mississippi John Hurt
Leadbelly
Albert King
Memphis Slim
Juke Boy Bonner

Rock

Led Zeppelin
Rolling Stones
Jimi Hendrix
Cream
Derek and the Dominoes

Songwriters/Folk/Rock/Country

Bob Dylan
Neil Young
Johnny Cash

Jazz

Eddie Lang
Lonnie Johnson
Joe Venuti
John Coltrane
Thelonius Monk
George and Ira Gershwin

Miscellaneous

George Formby
Paul Robeson
X2
Primal Scream

Unsigned/local and bands/artists that deserve more recognition

Old School Tie - who are friends of mine and are amazing
Juice - a similar sound to Old School Tie, but based in Ohio
Big Organ Trio - a hammond organ blues/jazz fuelled band
One Eyed Jack - a great JamBand influenced by Allman Brothers Band/Grateful Dead/Gov't Mule

Bands I want to investigate

Frogwings
Umphrey's McGee
Grateful Dead
The Dead
Phil Lesh and Friends
Phish
Widespread Panic
Aquarium Rescue Unit
moe.
Black Crowes
Oteil and The Peacemakers
Oysterhead
Delivery
Bruford
Jazz Is Dead
Karnataka
Karmakanic
Eloy
UK
Uriah Heep
Gentle Giant
Greenslade
Colosseum II
Hemlock
Savoy Brown
Frank Zappa
Captain Beefheart
Curved Air
Happy the Man
Parallel or 90 Degrees (Po90)
Echolyn
Oceansize

Movies:

Donnie Darko
Kung Pow! - Enter the Fist
Stand By Me
The Devils
The Dam Busters
Sink The Bismarck!
Reach For The Sky
Caligula
Performance
Girl On A Motorcycle
The Woman In Red
Weird Science
See No Evil, Hear No Evil
The Producers
Blazing Saddles
Spaceballs
Dogma
Barbarella
Coming Home
Klute
The Breakfast Club
Basic Instinct
Patrick
Percy
Bad Taste
Monty Python's Life of Brian
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Monty Python's The Meaning Of Life
Dr. Jekyll and Sister Hyde
The Uncanny Blood from the Mummy's Tomb
Battle of Britain
Aces High
633 Squadron
Das Boot

More to follow.

Television:

When I can be bothered to watch it, I tend to watch:

Neighbours (daily chore I'm afraid)
University Challenge
Mastermind
Time Team
History programs
Archeology programs

Comedy programs:

Blackadder
Red Dwarf
The Simpsons
The Fresh Prince of Bel Air
Jam
Phoenix Nights
Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em
Ealing comedies
Carry On films
Russ Meyer films
Troma films/television
4 Vids
Bits
Karaoke Fishtank
Rapido
Eurotrash
Confessions Of..., films
Plus the occasional bit of crap titilation.

Books:

Charles Dickens , Terry Pratchett , H.G. Wells , Douglas Adams , Samuel Taylor Coleridge , George Orwell , Franz Kafka , Lord Dunsany , Jeffrey Ford , Connie Willis .

Currently reading:

Franz Kafka - The Trial
Phil Smart & Jim Christopulos - Van der Graaf Generator - The Book
Lord Dunsany - The Gods of Pegana
Lord Dunsany - Time and the Gods
Lord Dunsany - The Sword of Welleran and other stories
Lord Dunsany - The Book of Wonder
Lord Dunsany - Tales of War
Lord Dunsany - Tales of Wonder
Charles Dickens - The Life and Adventures of Martin Chuzzlewit
George Orwell - Down and Out in Paris and London
Charlie Stross - Scratch Monkey
Jorge Luis Borges - Fictions (aka Ficciones)
Terry Pratchett - The Wee Free Men
Scott Ciencin - Shadowdale
Elaine Cunningham - Daughter of the Drow
Kurt Vonnegut - Mother Night

Recently completed:

Aldous Huxley - Brave New World
Kurt Vonnegut - The Sirens of Titan
Kurt Vonnegut - Slaughterhouse-Five
Connie Willis - To Say Nothing of the Dog
Jeffrey Ford - The Physiognomy
Jeffrey Ford - The Portrait of Mrs. Charbuque
Jorge Luis Borges - A History of Iniquity (aka A History of Infamy)
All excellent reads and thoroughly recommended

Series

Terry Pratchett - Discworld: currently the first 4 in the series
R.A. Salvatore - The Dark Elf Trilogy
R.A. Salvatore - The Icewind Dale Trilogy
R.A. Salvatore - The Legacy of the Drow (tetralogy)
R.A. Salvatore - Paths of Darkness (trilogy)
R.A. Salvatore - The Hunter's Blades Trilogy (tetralogy)

Individual books:

Franz Kafka - The Metamorphosis - what a genius!
Douglas Adams - The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Douglas Adams - Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency
James Alan Gardner - Fire and Dust
Oscar Wilde - The Picture of Dorian Gray
Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman - Good Omens
Charles Dickens - Nicholas Nickleby
Maxx Barry - Syrup
Max Barry - Jennifer Government
Stephen Andrews - Cubs Ahoy!
Jan Mark - Thunder and Lightnings
Ian Serraillier - The Silver Sword
David Weber - Oath of Swords
John Wyndham - The Day Of The Triffids
Martin Celmins - Peter Green - The Biography (Well worth a read)

Short Stories/Novelettes:

Connie Willis - Fire Watch
Jeffrey Ford - The Empire of Ice Cream
Jeffrey Ford - Malthusian's Zombie
Charles Dickens - The Holly-Tree
Charles Dickens - The Signal-Man
H.G. Wells - The Time Machine
H.G. Wells - The Country of the Blind
Thomas Hardy - The Withered Arm
Robert Louis Stevenson - The Bottle Imp
James Alan Gardner - The Children of Creche
Oscar Wilde - General short stories of his
Peter Hammill - Adam's Conviction
Peter Hammill - The Air Gun
Peter Hammill - Options

Poetry:

Samuel Taylor Coleridge - Kubla Khan
Samuel Taylor Coleridge - The Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Edgar Allan Poe - The Raven
William Oldys - The Fly (aka An Anacreontick )
Pope/Gay/Swift - Molly Mog
Peter Hammill - Out Of Step
Peter Hammill - Flies
And pretty much anything by Heather Millis, she's amazing, keep it up!

Heroes:

Peter Hammill , Robert Wyatt, Duster Bennett, Peter Green, Warren Haynes, Derek Trucks, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Eric "Winkle" Brown, Franz Kafka , Douglas Adams and all my amazing friends.

A special mention goes to Nicky, for being amazing, caring and loving. Also a mention goes to Lesley, for being supportive and caring, as a good friend should do, also thanks for getting me out the house more often than normal. It's much appreciated. Pamela (For being understanding and for keeping me sane over the past year), Laura (for being there when needed, thanks hun), Louise, Joanna (for being so cool and for coping with her problems), Laura (Swingin' Hep Kitten - for being so funny, cool and retro, keep it up girl!).

My Blog

Album of the year (plus additionals)

2007 has seen the release of some great albums, here are my top 5 studio albums:1. Robert Wyatt - Comicopera2. Battles - Mirrored3. Alamaailman Vasarat - Maahan4. Riverside - Rapid Eye Movement5. The ...
Posted by Geck0 on Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:52:00 PST

Im alive

I just thought I'd not neglect my weblog... so I haven't.I was 27 in August... just for the record.  I also now have a wonderful girlfriend, again, just for the record.I am alive... that's strict...
Posted by Geck0 on Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:07:00 PST

Nothing exciting, just some self-satisfaction...

Well it is not very often I write a weblog and I have no real urge to write one now.  Indeed, it may seem strange to you why I am therefore writing this.  Well, it is purely for self-gratifi...
Posted by Geck0 on Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:20:00 PST

I am now 26... woo!

I'm now 26.Now that was interesting.I'm done with this blog, phew.
Posted by Geck0 on Mon, 07 Aug 2006 04:35:00 PST

2005 - A look back the year

Since I won't be online again until Sunday, I am writing this now.  So, what has happened this year in my life then? Well, there has been a lot of heartache and a lot of amazing moments.  2...
Posted by Geck0 on Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:38:00 PST

New prog delights for my ears

I have been out buying CDs for myself, I know it's Christmas, but two CDs in particular were crying at me to buy them, they wouldn't let me leave without them, so I obliged. Both albums are strangely...
Posted by Geck0 on Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:38:00 PST

Van der Graaf Generator - The Book

Nice and prompt and directly from the author, I received "Van der Graaf Generator - The Book" yesterday.  It's an history of the band from 1967 to 1976 (with an epilogue about their 2005 re-forma...
Posted by Geck0 on Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:03:00 PST

Let's move Christmas to June...

Greetings everyone (whoever you are). I have a severe gripe with Christmas and wish it was far more low-key and in June. It is far to close to New Year.  June would be excellent, as it's a very...
Posted by Geck0 on Mon, 05 Dec 2005 01:04:00 PST

Wobbler and other Prog

I bought an album called "Hinterland" by a Norwegian band named Wobbler and I have to say it's excellent.  It is symphonic prog at it's finest.  It reminds me heavily of Anglagard, Par Lindh...
Posted by Geck0 on Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:45:00 PST

Prized possessions...

I have foolishly decided to list some of my prized possessions..., I shall probably get robbed now... Duster Bennett - 12 DBs - vinyl Keef Hartley Band - Halfbreed - vinyl Peter Green Splinter Group ...
Posted by Geck0 on Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:46:00 PST