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Ludwig Wittgenstein in Skjolden

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Wittgenstein in Skjolden:
"I can't imagine that I could have worked anywhere as I do here. It's the quiet and, perhaps, the wonderful scenery; I mean its quiet seriousness." (LW, 1936)
Pictures related to Wittgensteins life in Skjolden.....
Wittgenstein's relationship to Skjolden; his visiting and living here between 1913 and 1951, in shorter and longer periods, in a relatively small and completely secluded cabin.... (7x8m: called 'little Austria").... on a steep mountainside not far from this tiny, half forgotten village in the innermost part of Sognefjord, is something that has occupied people with an interest in Wittgenstein and his philosophy. Probably with very good reasons.
In 1913....he came, together with his friend David Pinsent...to Skjolden...and the year after...he designed and got his cabin built in the mountainside by the Eidsvatn....later, he visited Skjolden on different occasions...last time in the autum of 1950...together with Ben Richards....he had planned to go in the new year of 1950-51....but his cancer illness had then worsened...and so his trip late in 1950 became his last visit. Wittgenstein wrote some of his most important philosophical and personal texts while visiting Skjolden and living in his mountain cabin....both the solitude and calmness...and the landscape in itself..was necessary for his regaining an ability to do philosophical work...and as he says in one of his notes..."work on philosophy-like work in architecture in many respects-is really more work on oneself. On one's own conception. On how one sees things. (And what one expects of them", CV)
So...the ways Wittgenstein manages his life, his often problematic relations to himself and to the life he lived, his problems with relating to others, and his intensive lifelong efforts in philosophy and ethics and thinking, is almost uncomparable as a fascinating human story. ....
It is reasonable to think that there can and maybe must be some inner or deeper connection between his contributions as a thinker and philosopher, and his choosing of and struggling with his type of isolated existence in Skjolden, both far from the centers of philosophy and from ordinary modern human living. Wittgenstein often says something like that himself. But often academic philosophers are so busy thinking about his paragraphs about language, logic and concepts that they conceive of his diaries and thoughts about himself and human problems as something of interest, but to be treated as lying outside his genuine philosophy.
Today, there is a growing consensus that this is a too restricted conception of Wittgensteins philosophy, of what he is trying to do in his philosophy. Many of his interpreters now find it impossible just to bypass the important antropological dimension in his work...his conceptual studies are at the same time a kind of antropology (Malcolm), Wittgenstein is trying to make us more aware of nthe kind of creature we are. It seems at the same time that he is trying to tell and show us something very important also through his way of living and reflections on his own personal life - something that most of us today have problems with getting in contact with and often cannot grasp - it is not therefore surprising when it is said by E. Toynton: " since his death Wittgenstein seems to have become the victim of everything he hated most."
So; what did he hate in modern culture and social life - "in the darkness of this time", .......and why is this dark views on modern human living connected closely to his philosophical thinkin ? How does his relationship to the world, to others and to himself influence his articulation of views in philosophy?
Wittgenstein seems to have a strong need to leave the world of others behind, to be able to connect with himself and open up the process of thinking. So he becomes more and more convinced that thinking in his way is not compatible with ordinary social living, being exposed to and strongly influenced by the opinions and talk of others. To be able to set free his own thinking process, to be able to be creative, he feels the need to live alone, to confront himself and the world totally on his own
His friend Moore writes: "At the beginning of 1914 he came to see me in a state of great agitation and said: “I am leaving Cambridge....” “Why” I asked. “Because my brother-in-law has come to live in London, and I can’t bear to be so near him.” So he spent the rest of the winter in the far north of Norway".
Another friend of W. writes: "he returned to Norway alone and took up residence on a farm at Skjolden in Sogn north-east of Bergen. Here he lived for most of the time until the outbreak of the war in 1914. He liked the people and the country very much. Eventually he learned to speak Norwegian fairly well. In an isolated place near Skjolden he built himself a hut, where he could live in complete seclusion."
When Wittgenstein in 1914 told his philosophical friend Bertrand Russell that he wanted to go far away, to Norway - Russel reacted instinctively: "I said it would be dark, and he said he hated daylight. I said it would be lonely, and he said he prostituted his mind talking to intelligent people. I said he was mad, and he said God preserve him from sanity. (God certainly will.)"
Despite Russell's ironies...and his almost dialogical and poetic attempts to stop the young philosopher, Wittgenstein of course travelled to Norway to hide away in exotic Skjolden; he experienced here an extremely productive process as he lived in isolation and worked on the Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus.
But, he also suffered much from his intensive and changing emotional states - as his sister Hermine tells in a letter - "(he was) ... in a heightened state of intellectual intensity, which verged on the pathological." This visit became the start of a series of visits to Skjolden, when Wittgensteins thinking made some very important steps forward.
"In philosophy matters are not simple enough for us to say ..Let's get a rough idea,' for we do not know the country except by knowing the connections between the roads. So I suggest repetition as a means of surveying the connections."....... ......."Language sets everyone the same traps; it is an immense network of easily accessible wrong turnings. And so we watch one man after another walking down the same paths and we know in advance where he will branch off, where walk straight on without noticing the side turning, etc. etc. What I have to do then is erect signposts at all the junctions where there are wrong turnings so as to help people past the danger points."......
...What is Wittgensteins problems ?
.... "Most propositions and questions which have been written about philosophical matters are not false, but senseless. We cannot, therefore, answer questions of this kind at all, but only state their senselessness. Most questions and propositions of the philosophers result from the fact that we do not understand the logic of our language. (They are of the same kind as the question whether the Good is more or less identical than the Beautiful.) And so it is not to be wondered at that the deepest problems are really not problems." (4.003)........ ..."I might say: if the place I want to get to could only be reached by a ladder, I would give up trying to get there. For the place I really have to get to is a place I must already be at now. Anything that I might reach by climbing a ladder does not interest me.".....
How little is achived by philosophy
........Tidlig i sin filosofiske løpebane skrev han at han en gang for alle har løst alle logikkens problemer. Men jeg har ikke dermed løst livets problemer; innrømmet han. Bare det logiske er logisk, den som møter livet og verden med logikk, møter bare logikken. Ikke livet og verden. Logikken er en bro, men ikke alle veiene fører over denne broen........
he tells us about his Tractatus:...... "On the other hand the truth of the thoughts that are here communicated seems to me unassailable and definitive. I therefore believe myself to have found, on all essential points, the final solution of the problems. And if I am not mistaken in this belief, then the second thing in which this work consists is that it shows how little is achieved when these problem are solved." (L.W. Vienna, 1918). When all problems are solved, the problem of life, of living, goes on as if nothing have happened...........
..........To be alone and influences.......
"Seventeen people are mentioned in the Investigations, among them Beethoven, Schubert, and Goethe; the Gestalt psychologist Wolfgang Küohler; and the physicist Michael Faraday. Five others are mentioned twice — Lewis Carroll, Moses, and three philosophers: Wittgenstein's Cambridge colleagues Frank Ramsey and Bertrand Russell, and Socrates. The three remaining people named in the Investigations are also philosophers: Gottlob Frege and William James, each mentioned four times, with only St. Augustine exceeding them with five citations" (Goodman 2002)
......Suffering is a central theme in Wittgensteins thinking,as in his life
: I eit seinare brev skriv er Wittgenstein....."eg har opplevd mye liding, men eg er åpenbart ikkje i stand til å læra av livet mitt. Eg lid framdleis på akkurat same måten som eg leid for mange år sidan. Eg har ikkje blitt korkje sterkare eller klokare'.....
Silence, the mystical and religious belief.....in Wittgensteins philosophy
Wittgenstein was most of his life occupied both with his own lived religious beliefs, and with philosophical discussions of religion. 1. sept. 1914 he started to read a book on religion by Leo Tolstoj...and he said that this book saved his life during the demanding years in the war..he always had this book with him..through those years of hardship and in company with death....Many philosophers do not see Wittgensteins relation to religion as a central aspect of his philosophy....it is often regarded more as part of his personality difficulties...than a philosophical matter......But for Wittgenstein religion, belief, sins and virtues, his continous working on himself ......is central aspects of his thinking.....as his says about Tractatus....
...... "the point of the book is ethical. I once wanted to give a few words in the foreword which now actually are not in it, which, however, I’ll write to you now because they might be a key for you: I wanted to write that my work consists of two parts: of the one which is here, and of everything I have not written. And precisely this second part is the important one. For the Ethical is delimited from within, as it were by my book; and I’m convinced that, strictly speaking, it can ONLY be delimited in this way. In brief, I think: All of that which many are babbling I have defined in my book by remaining silent about it. ”.......
L. Wittgenstein, Letter to Ludwig von Ficker,1919 (translated by Ray Monk)......
"My work consists of two parts: the one presented here plus all that I have not written. And it is precisely this second part that is the important one. My book draws limits to the sphere of the ethical from the inside as it were, and I am convinced that this is the ONLY rigorous way of drawing those limits. In short, I believe that where many others today are just gassing, I have managed in my book to put everything firmly into place by being silent about it".......
......"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen" ("Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent")........og....‘What can be said at all can be said clearly, and what we cannot talk about we must pass over in silence’............‘There are, indeed, things that cannot be put into words. They make themselves manifest. They are what is mystical’ (Tractatus 6.522)...
But serious philosophical reflection is not easily made part of the ordinary affairs of everyday living; "I sit with a philosopher in a garden; he says again and again 'I know that that is a tree,' pointing to a tree that is near us. A second man comes by and hears this, and I tell him: 'This man isn't insane: we're just doing philosophy.'".....
......"I can say: "Thank these bees for their honey as though they were kind people who have prepared it for you"; that is intelligible and describes how I should like you to conduct yourself. But I cannot say: "Thank them because, look, how kind they are!"--since the next moment they may sting you".
Wittgenstein as a person
There has been an enormous interest..and fascination about Wittgensteins personality....
This is an area that has occupied many Wittgenstein students....both philosophers and people with other primary interests than philosophy...but with little consensus when it comes to views on what he was like, and what was his most important characteristics...and how he came to develop them...
Wittgenstein as a person...what kind of personality did Wittgenstein have ? And how did he relate to himself and his own personality ?
This is a complex of questions that also has an important connection to his philosophy and his thinking. For Wittgenstein his thinking in philosophy all along and all the time was and must be part of how he tried to live as a human being.... so he tells in a personal note: ...."How can I be a logician when I am not yet a man?'' And, in the letter to Malcolm, he writes: what is the use of studying philosophy if all that it does for you is to enable you to talk with some plausibility about some abstruse questions of logic, etc., & if it does not improve your thinking about the important questions of everyday life, if it does not make you more conscientious than any . . . journalist in the use of the DANGEROUS phrases such people use for their own ends"-
"Ludwig Wittgenstein was undoubtedly a most uncommon man. Though he was free from that form of vanity which shows itself in a desire to seem different, it was inevitable that he should stand out sharply from his surroundings. It is probably true that he lived on the border of mental illness. A fear of being driven across it followed him throughout his life. But it would be wrong to say of his work that it had a morbid character. It is deeply original but not at all eccentric. It has the same naturalness, frankness, and freedom from all artificiality that was characteristic of him." (From Norman Malcolm, Ludwig Wittgenstein: A Memoir (London: Oxford University Press, 1958), p3)
To be human is for Wittgenstein never to be satisfied with who you are. As humans we always are seeking self betterment, to rise above what we are given....For Wittgenstein, self observation, confession and ascese was part of his searching for self betterment, for the Perfect both as a thinker and as a person
......But to be able to use philosophy as a method and way of human betterment, you can't just go on, busy and shortsighted - you have to learn to stop dead, to look into things...to question things...and yourself...your own way of living......as he would have said, in a poetic form;and you need a form of life that is the right setting for such problems
.......And that occupied him very much, how to solve the problem of becoming a better human being; his was not an easy existence: "I remember him as an enigmatic, noncommunicating, perhaps rather depressed person who preferred the deck chair in his room to any social encounters." (Dr E.G. Bywaters).....But one should never misunderstand this, and take Wittgenstein for a asocial or nonsocial person; we hear all the time about his friends, and he makes a very strong impression on many people - as B. Russell expresses it: 'Getting to know Wittgenstein was one of the most exciting intellectual adventures of my life'.........
..................Malcolm wrote about him: "In general, there is a striking contrast between the restlessness, the continual searching and changing, in Wittgenstein's life and personality, and the perfection and elegance of his finished work."
No, this is not the right way to see it; Somavilla (1997) in contrary says that...."his circles with language reveal themselves ethically grounded, his search for philosophical clarity as a search for clarity about himself." So, the continual searching and changing are part of Wittgensteins work on himself....
Abreu and Neto says..that "Wittgenstein’s Diaries (-) are basically made out of these two self technologies (of self observation and confession). He begins the Diary of Cambridge by declaring that one need a bit of courage in order to write a reasonable observation about himself (-). And later on, in the Diary of Skjolden he writes: How hard is to know oneself, to confess honestly what one is..
........... L. Wittgenstein developed early a personality dynamics with a strong and lifelong orientation toward selfbetterment, self transformation, a trait often found in religious and spiritual saints: "sanctification is an inner process that reflects a spiritual transformation of the entire person" (Emmons)
.....Wittgenstein lived his last years, ill from cancer, and emotional impoverished - writing:
"It is as though I had before me nothing more than a long stretch of living death, (-) I cannot imagine any future for me other than a ghastly one. Friendless and joyless." He was staying as the guest of various friends and disciples - but he always continued to discuss philosophy. As he was dying, his last words were: "Tell them I've had a wonderful life."
.....And as he had written some time before: "Death is not an event in life; we do not experience death."
Depression and pessimism
- Wittgenstein read Gottfried Kellers book 'The Last Laugh' where could find a formulation that he adapted to himself......"I have no religion, except perhaps this: that when things go well for me, I tell myself they don't have to."
Wittgenstein today:
"In recent years we have seen a widespread regression to pre-Wittgensteinian attitudes and ways of doing philosophy, in which the tendencies he regarded as unwholesome are given full rein." (Oswald Hanfling, Wittgenstein and the Human Form of Life)

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Member Since: 6/6/2008
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Band Members: Some pitures showing people who have influenced Wittgenstein in different ways, his thinking and living......

"Wittgenstein Variations"

This is a norwegian version....of our project called "Wittgenstein variations: Wittgensteins thinking written as poems"

Der andre gjeng vidare

Der andre gjeng vidare/ vert eg ståande/der filosofien sitt gras veks/ vanskane ligg der/ gøymde like under graset....

Korleis kan eg filosofera utan å arbeide med meg sjølv som menneske ?

Han ble fortald at det kom til å være mørkt/ Wittgenstein sa han hatar dagslys/ Han fekk vita at det kom til å bli isande kaldt/ Wittgenstein sa han kan ikkje halde ut eit komfortabel liv/ Han ble fortald at han måtte vere omgjengeleg/ Wittgenstein sa at han i bunn og grunn berre kan omgåes seg sjølve/ Han ble fortald at han kom til å verte den neste store i filosofien/ Wittgenstein svarte med å halde seg utanfor filosofien i 10 år / Han ble fortald at han måtte beherske seg/ Wittgenstein svarte at ville hjelpe flua ut av flaska/ Han ble fortald at det ville verte einsamt/ Wittgenstein sa han prostituerte sinnet sitt ved å snakke med intelligente folk/ Han ble forsøkt hjulpet til et liv der oppe/ Wittgenstein snudde berre ryggen til frestarne/ ....og ba om å få farleg, krevjande teneste/ Han ble budt å kvile seg på filosofien sitt sete/ Wittgenstein valgde å klatra opp på ei bortgjømt fjellhylle/ Han ble fortald at han var gal/ Wittgenstein sa Gud bevare meg fra sunnheten (:og det vil Han ganske sikkert)"
(bearbeidet med BR som kilde)

Som om eg skriv dikt

Måten eg filosoferar på/ er ein måte å dikta på/ for å samstemme tankane, livet, verda, meg sjølve/ få fred i tankane/ for å bringe livet i orden/ eg må bringe orda tilbake/ dit dei høyre heime

dikta mine/ skil dei som forstår / spredt i alle slags avkrokar i denne verda/ frå dei som ikkje gjer det/ dei som er framande for meg.

Eg har levd

Fortell/ eg har hatt eit vidunderleg liv/ eit merkverdig, forunderleg liv/ det einaste livet/ eg kunne leva/ Men kan ein ikkje og seia ........? at det å leva er satt saman/ av to slags liv/ av det livet som ligg føre/ og det eg ikkje har levd/ akkurat denne andre delen/ inneheld det viktigaste

Rikeleg tid

det er så rikeleg med tid/ i løpet av ein einaste dag/ til å oppleva/ dei helvetes pinsler/ som faktisk kan finna stad/ i menneskjelivet

Pictures from a walk to Wittgensteins cabin site.....junei 2008...

(Utsyn frå hytta i fjellskråninga)
eg ser/ med lengt ut/ gjennom vindauget.../ Eidsvatnet/ ligg blankt, vintermørkt/ eg ser denne verda.......og alt det som er tilfelle/ alt det som det kan seiast noko om/ alt det andre/man må vera tause om/ alt det som man må læra seg å snakka/ med seg sjølve om...fyrst......

(Sola som har vore borte i fleire månader no)
kor lenge kan eg halde ut/ dette stumme eksiltilværet/ åleine med meg sjølve/ med villdyret/ ........eg kan bryte saman/ når som helst kan det koma/eitt brått omskifte/ eg kjenner ofte at tankane mine har teke slutt/ og blodet i avføringa uroar meg/ mine lidingar held fram heile tida/ dei tek ikkje slutt/ eit kors eg må bera

eg er ei sjel som vandrar/ eit nakent og usselt liv/ naknare enn andre/ frå inkje gjennom verda/ til helvete.....

Influences: Ein eller anna stad

Ingen kan tenkje ein tanke for andre/ Ingen kan fortelje andre det dei ikkje forstår/ Ingen kan føre menneskja/ til det gode/ berre til ein eller anna stad/ Staden ein vil til/ der må ein eigentleg allereie vera

Mitt forhold til andre menneskje

Det tar enorm lang tid/ før mitt forhold til andre menneskje/ blir klart for meg/ eg er blinda ei lang stund/ før skjella fell frå augo mine/ eg har ein slags klump inne i meg/ som ikkje kan smelta

Mørket i denne verda

Fanga i/ utsletne tankar/ i denne verdas mørke/ kor alt som berre er tilfelle/ er utan verdi

Læresetningar som ein ikkje vert grepen av/ er til inga nytte…/ berre klokskap/som skjuler livet/ man må bli gripen og omvendt/ finna vakre tankar/ som kan la ei heil verd veksa fram/ fra orda/ endre retning i livet

Korleis gjeng du gjennom dette livet ?

I denne verda/ skal du gå langsomt/ komme aller sist til mål/ og du treng ikkje gå langt/ for å stiga ned i djupet/ finna smerte, pinsle/ som heile tida/ er like ved deg

Pictures from Harald Watne: presentation and guidance in Skjolden, during the Wittgenstein seminar june 2008 in Skjolden

Sounds Like: NÃ¥r ein ikkje kan tale

Ender sym stille/ på Eidsvatnet/ kunne dei tale/ ville vi ikkje forstå dei/
Rett framom augo synleg gjennom slør/ ligg vannflata/ trær står støtt/ i bratte skråninga/ mellom stumme fjell/ som om dei døyde i natt/

Sola vil skinna inn/ gjennom vindauget mitt i dag/ ei herleg sol/ eg er glad for/endeleg å kunne sjå sola/ men gleda min/ er for lite djup/ til at eg verkeleg kan sjå/ Åh, om jeg berre var djupare

Den rette atmosfæren

eg har teke på meg/den filosofiske ryggsekken/ og klatra opp blant dei høgaste fjella/ eg må leve i ei slik fortynna luft/ den rette atmosfæreen/ der eg kan vera slik eg er/fungerer slik som eg skal / der eg høyre til/ blomstre, kjenner meg sunn/ eg må leve i ei slik fortynna luft/ der det er berre ånden som kan varme

Pictures from the Wittgenstein seminar in Skjolden juni 2008....

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Wittgenstein and psychiatry......

Wittgenstein gets a lot of attention from psychiatrists.....and often it is not his philosophy that they are interested in, but his peson, his personality, his disturbances. He sure is a promising can...
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Wittgenstein and silence...

Wittgenstein and silence.....is under preparation...
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Wittgensteins significance for modern life....

Wittgenstein; could he also have said: "We are born into a hard and factual world, and so we have to learn to live in and know that objective world &.we need science, research, technology&and the corr...
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