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Being from California, I was truly disappointed over the passing of Prop 8. A good friend of mine forwarded to me this soap box ranting on why it is believed that so many African Americans voted for Prop 8, she had sent this around to some of her Pro-Prop 8 African American friends and to the rest of us in order to express her belief in equal rights for everyone.
Why the H8?
I'm trying to wrap my mind around the fact that 70% of African-Americans voted YES on Proposition 8. There have been discussions on the subject with all kinds of people of different backgrounds and it seems to come back to either religion or "it's just not normal". Hmmmm.....
I state that it's a civil rights matter and give backup to this statement/belief of mine but to no avail. Some just don't see it as a ‘right' at all. Their argument is that you can't ‘see' that someone is gay/lesbian but you can see one's ‘color'. Ok, let's explore that. No one is given the choice to be what they are in terms of sexual orientation or their race. Before the Civil Rights Act of 1964, wouldn't one choose to be Caucasian rather than Black because life would be a lot easier? So I find it hard to believe that someone would wake up one day and say "hmmm...I think I'll be gay and endure discrimination and prejudice for sake of sex." Do you really think someone would do that? Come on!
I heard other reasons/beliefs for not supporting Prop 8 such as, what about the kids, family values, protection of traditional marriage, and religious beliefs, etc. I can't help but laugh. Let's explore these.
Kids: Protect them from what? Do you think if they know about this they will become interested and want to do it too? Do you think they don't ALREADY know about it? Do you think they aren't ALREADY exposed to it or is gay themselves? Would you turn your child away if they ‘came out' to you? Do you think it's a reflection on you as a parent or future parent? Do you think it could be ‘beaten', ‘churched' (I made that word up) or counseled out of them if they are gay? Do you think having it ‘out there' will influence kids? Hmmm....I think Hollywood already has a handle on that. Their PARENTS are supposed to be their influence so are you saying that others are more influential than you are to your kid? Wow.....
Another thing on kids...what do you think of the Safe Haven Law in Nebraska where a parent can drop their kid off with no questions asked? Since that law was passed, a large number of children are being dropped off at hospitals at all ages.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1196990/30th_child_ abandoned_under_nebraska.html


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/11/10/dn t.ok.no.obama.newspaper.kjrh


The abandonment of children of all ages under this law has increased so the state is now rushing to change the law to infants up to 3 days old.
Family Values: What are these? Is a gay person not considered a part of the family? Have you pushed them aside? Why are so many of our kids born out of wedlock? And why are women wearing WHITE when you know darn well you're not a virgin? We can't pick ‘where' we want to be ‘traditional'.
Protection of traditional marriage: Oh this is a good one! So heterosexuals are the experts of this? Hmmm...... The divorce rates are so high we can't keep up. First marriage: 41%; second marriage: 60% and third marriage: 73%. www.divorcerate.org. Wow, we're batting a thousand here! So being heterosexual and married is working out for us, huh? Not only is the divorce rate high, but most of us aren't getting married. Protect marriage how? From preventing others from doing it the way we were prevented? Remember that? If you're trying to keep them from being just as miserable as you are then ok, I can see that. At one time Blacks couldn't marry other Blacks without permission and when it was ‘granted' by the slave owner, it still wasn't recognized! There was also a law that prevented Black and Whites to marry in 1967-that wasn't long ago! My parents, Obama's parents would have been prevented to marry in 16 (SIXTEEN!) states in the US. I thought we were tired of having someone else tell us what we can and cannot do?! Now you want to do the same to another group of people-HUMANS?
Religious beliefs: Hmmm.....where do I start! The book of Deuteronomy states all of the laws we are ‘supposed' be following today. Are we? I can answer that. NO. Did you fornicate last night, last week, or last month? I think so. Shoot, if I had a significant other you can bet that on election is was going down! Let's just be honest. How many drinks did you have last weekend/this week? The Bible states that our body is a temple. Do we treat it as such? NO. I could go on but you get my point here. We can't cast stones when we live in a glass house. Morals cannot be governed. Otherwise I'd be the first to petition for a bill to be on the ballot for ADULTERY in a heartbeat! One can covet thy neighbor's wife/husband as much as they want because we don't have laws against it anymore. But yet you want to use the Bible to justify what you want. Protect marriage, you say.... Hmmm....?
Religion is to guide your personal life and government is to guide your public/legal life. Why is that so hard to ‘get'?
What happened to abiding by the Constitution? Remember when we wanted to be included in "all mean created equal"? What happened to "one nation under God"?
Currently, the gay community cannot:
• Can't serve in the military (openly). I think it was Clinton that said "don't ask, don't tell.??
• Can't adopt children in some states
• Can't get married
• Beaten or killed for being gay
Remember when we weren't allowed to:
• Drink out of any water fountain we wanted
• Sit where we wanted
• Live where we wanted
• Beaten or killed for being non-white
No gay person is going to come to your door and try to convert you! But religion does. Jehovah Witnesses and Mormon's come to your door every chance they get. You have the choice to join them or not to join them. You have the freedom to choose which religion you want to worship. So why deny someone else the same opportunity in having the same rights as you?
We wanted acceptance just as anyone else does. So why don't feel that this group deserves the same acceptance and rights as you have fought for and continue to fight for?
Think about this. You have a child and you pass away. You want your child to stay in the family and your sibling is gay. Would you want a law that states/tells you that your sibling cannot take custody/guardianship of your child because it's illegal? Or would you be ok with your child going into the system?
As an adoptee, I'd much rather a loving person/couple of any race or sexual orientation, adopt me rather than expose me to the horror of living in foster care. There are some good foster parents but there a LOT of bad ones. Not only that what if I was never placed? I would be in a group home wherein funds are limited because there are some who feel that those ‘socialistic' programs should be cut, but yet they're pro-life. Hmmmm???
Did it ever occur to you that this RIGHT has been enforced since 2003? I bet not. Yeah, the California Domestic Partner Rights and Responsibilities Act of 2003, was enacted by the California Supreme Court in 2005. So it's been in effect for almost 4 years and I bet cha didn't even know it! Did it affect your life, your job, your kids, etc? Here's the first Section of the Act:
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:
SECTION 1. (a) This act is intended to help California move closer to fulfilling the promises of inalienable rights, liberty, and equality contained in Sections 1 and 7 of Article 1 of the California Constitution by providing all caring and committed couples, regardless of their gender or sexual orientation, the opportunity to obtain essential rights, protections, and benefits and to assume corresponding responsibilities, obligations, and duties and to further the state's interests in promoting stable and lasting family relationships, and protecting Californians from the economic and social consequences of abandonment, separation, the death of loved ones, and other life crises.

http://www.assembly.ca.gov/LGBT_Caucus/laws/2003/ab0205/full textchapteredbill.htm


You might want to read it and familiarize yourself with it and maybe re-read the US Constitution as well. You're not ‘giving' them something and there's no amendment to be done. The right has been there. Your vote took that right AWAY.
One last thing, I bet ya didn't even know who was behind getting this proposition on our ballot during one of the most important/historical presidential races ever, did ya? They knew that it would be overlooked given the excitement of this election. Did you think to research the prop? Most of you probably didn't know what voting Yes meant. Obama had been used to convince people that he supported yes on Prop 8, when he didn't endorse it at all.

LA Times Article


http://www.camajorityreport.com/index.php?module=articles&am p;func=display&aid=3837&ptid=9


Did you know that it was the Mormon Church that was behind getting this on OUR ballot? They are afraid (yes, FEAR was used once again!) that if California passes it then oh my God, other states will follow. Are you afraid that being gay will spread if they can marry? No! Individuals of the Mormon Church funded this initiative as did those opposing Prop 8 from other states. Do you want others to be able to tell California and YOU what to do?
Are you ok in joining a church that once didn't see you as a full person? Blacks weren't allowed in their congregation until the 1970s? Now they're knocking on your door to join them and their cause. They promote polygamy but yet cast a stone on others. Are you cool with that?
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This country was not founded on Christianity/religion. Stop trying to use it to govern.
If everyone is FORCED to do the same thing, how will we be able to tell who's being righteous?
I doubt that any of us would support religion running the law and/or the country. I surely don't. Look at our history!
Black people take note: BLACK PEOPLE ARE GAY TOO!! I'm sure there are choir director or musical directors, choir members and others are members of YOUR church. Do you really believe that God will alienate a group of people?
What about the DL that we all know so much about, but yet we ignore? Look at the percentage of Black women with HIV. The elephant is in the room. Come on....WAKE UP!
~N
Well I have finally pulled the trigger to move back to New York City after a 16 year stint in Los Angeles. I look forward to summer in th city and the Eagle!
Spain was fantastic, please view my photo blog for highlights. Other trips we have planned for next year are: Europe & Middle East.

I am a Hispanic gay male, 41 who lives in New York City. I have got br eyes and bl hair. I am 5'5" and 155 Pounds. I am always chatting with friends (new or old). Activities: Computers, Investing, Politics, Shopping, Travel. Entertainment: Computer games, Dancing, Live music/Music, Movies/Film, Nightclubs/Parties, Gambling, T.V./Videos/DVDs, Theater arts, Wine tasting. Health, Sports, and Fitness: Aerobics/Exercise, Biking, Hiking, Meditation, Skiing, Weight training, Yoga. Home and Family: Cooking, Entertaining, Home improvement, Pets. My Scene: Bears, Circuit boy, Club kid, Outdoorsy. Favorite places to be naked: Beach, Yoga, and Working Out. Good food, good wine, strong coffee and being with my friends are at the top of my list of favorite things. I love to experiment in the kitchen and am actually getting pretty good at it. Love fitness and travel. I'm a definite Romantic! A fun guy who knows how to be silly even though I have been told that I have a serious exterior; but I try to laugh as much as possible.
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