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(Anakins plan.. which comes 20 years later see ep3)
....This page is a little unusual... well very.
It's a place for a little talk on the news, its a place to dream, to think, to learn, to spout... it's a bit of a fan-site for Vader fans or V for Vendetta fans...
...but mostly It's a bit of a character study.. a place I needed to discuss the similarities I see between 2 characters that I love.
A place to discuss their stories, Passions, dreams, Ideas, failings, redemptions, Hopes behind their actions, and things we can learn from and take from those films....
I just want to bring a bit of Hope.. and some wishes for Peace. I wanted a place to Talk to others that see the thin line between reality and what we dream up.
The writing on V's Mirror.. was latin, this is how it is translated... "By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe."
These moments in film really get me. I want to find not only fans of FILMS or ART but also fans of hope.. people that believe in DREAMS.. and the power of words.. the power of IDEAS.
"Words give the means to Meaning, and for those who will LISTEN.. the annunciation of Truth." -V
Sometimes this page will post news about what is going on in OUR real world.. we all walk the same roads here...
Please feel free to send things for me to POST or bulletin.. I'd love to network that way. I'll Post it. Please comment on anything, I'm hardly ever offended, I love to hear comments!
...Let's just sit back and have some fun watching movies and Dreaming together for a moment...
...Remember the reality that there IS always HOPE.
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So... me?
..Call me Evey... What is a name? Yes Im a Woman lol. Yes I love these movies. I've always loved film and movies.. acting and drama, and all forms of ART.. expression. Like many out there right now.. There is a flame inside of me.. one that I hope to share....
Everyone has their wounds and I've chosen to walk down another road.. to build myself a new NEST here in Arizona.. in a safe little tree, cover it with spices and things good to me and begin to start again. I moved away from my hometown to get to Arizona.. and now I feel so blessed to wake up to mountains that let you feel so small.. to skies that burn you with warmth.. and to wind that is fresh, clean, and full of newness.
Not everyone in this world has the chance to wake up with new surroundings ..they are such blessings. I remember each day that there are others living this life with me in pain.....
......Some have circumstances I may never understand.. some of them I may relate to.. but in the end I ONLY hope to just do my own personal BEST.. to "play my part" as V says and bring a bit of light to as many as I possibly can.
There is hope because hope is something that NEVER ever fades.. seasons change, stars collapse, Empires fall, people live and die (and so will I), the Earth itself changes and we all evolve...
I'd like to be a part of that evolution... That growth.. I don't want to be a part of Still water. I have seen many things and I just want to be a part of the growing of humanity.. the learning.. the change.. the revolution or evolution.
I'm endlessly Curious... I want to be a part of this Life. I'm a woman that wants to live, one who is growing, is always learning, and one who is "NOT afraid anymore"...
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I hope that I can create this site to be something that makes people think... and something fun.. or a place just to reflect and comment.
I really want to show the Humanity within the 2 characters of V and Vader (Anakin Skywalker). Hopefully thinking closer about these "stories" will open up a few hearts to the fact that people may become lost.. They may have pains that cause them to try to fix things in a misguided way....
Lucas said he wanted to show that even the angelic and those with the BEST intentions can fall.. fall into ways of thinking that bring out the most violent side of the Passions inside of them..
Pain can do many things to a human soul. Some may want to stay angelic, do no harm, bring peace, prevent death, harvest Honor, honesty, and speak out for all they believe.. and yet.. once Trauma occurs or injustice is to an EXTREME... that same person with that same heart may do things to fight what they see happening.. not remembering or caring that they do those things in a way that corrupts their heart...
But remember they remain human.. just like you and I.
What one sees on the outside is not always the truth or what is truly inside their mind, their thoughts or their Heart..
V explained to Evey that his mask had become as real as his true face.. he had become "a CAUSE walking".
Vader also becomes a cause walking.. but an one won't know this unless they know the story of Anakin through and through. We don't have to read all the V comics to understand V.. but we do have to do a lot of work to understand Anakin/Vader. I did a LOT of that work and I share some of it here.
A Quote that fits:::
"The mask is a secondary skin, it slides over your marred face so easily. You are no longer some man, or even any man, you are V, and that makes you more than a man, but an idea… and that protects you, wraps you like mother’s blanket, it keeps out the cold, keeps out the rain--- protection, complete animosity, and when your cold steel slices, your mask feels nothing, and therefore you don’t have to either. Manners behind a mask are met with morose mitigation, and yet you still wear it.
The comfort is in the dark.
Somewhere she’s lying, sleeping, her mind full of sweet, sweet dreams of love and peace and an unmarred lover who can return what she desires---she is so naieve, and yet she is not. A paradox, perhaps, but peculiar in the perverse pleasure you take from her presence.
The comfort is in… Memories.
In your dreams she is rising from a crystal ocean, arms extended, waiting for you. You reach for her, but drift through her fingertips. No one can love a man as much as an idea, and no idea ever took a lover.
And to those who burned you... "..Branded like an animal, I can still feel it burning in my mind, I do believe that you made your message clear.."
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In everyone there is always HOPE... there is always something each of us can learn from everyone.. no matter who we are. Both V and vader had something to learn that only an innocent could teach them.
..SO ...On to the stories.....
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There is a loss of Freedom in the Star wars Saga...
Padme watches democracy fall.... as a dictator rises...
There is a loss of Freedom in V for Vendetta.... A dictator rises here also..
Here is what One writer says about the Loss in Episode 3 of star-wars.....
Julia Houston writes about ABOUT LOSS OF FREEDOM IN EP3
"Looking out over the crowd as they laud Palpatine’s self-coronation, this tragedy’s observer, Padme, realizes that freedom dies amidst the cheers of very people whose freedom is dying....
..Not war nor chains, but ignorance, complacency, and the cowering willingness to be deceived are what cost us our liberty...
Those few brave enough to protect democracy as an ideal are abandoned by the stampeding herd and must hide....away in the wilderness until the time comes for rebellion and restoration..." ---JULIA HOUSTON
Her quote sounds a lot like the world V lives in during the film V for Vendetta....
I'd like to discuss what happens in these films... what V and Vader have in common...
......FAITH is the number one thing
In the more famous star wars SAGA .. the character of VADER finds his only HOPES within the "Faith" that he keeps so tightly, and demands from others..
Remember in ep 4 (a new hope) QUOTE:
"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed, the ability to destroy is INSIGNIFICANT next to the power of the Force." (What we would call the power of God or the power of Will and Vision and fate even)
V may call the Force the will of the people, fate, or the energy yet to be tapped to get the world to change.. the energy within us.
So even in darkness his patience and FAITH stays with him... he clings to it. Perceived as a villain so dark, we get a glimpse into.. someone inside.. someone behind that mask.
He knows something true.. and he will not let go. What is it? What is he after?
..Most ask, "Patience and faith? ... for what"?
Well, start at ep4 (a new hope). It is approx twenty years passed since Anakin made a PROMISE to his innocent wife pregnant with his child.. ((who ended up dying in childbirth (her will to live gone) because of the horrors occuring all around in ep3)) ... a promise?
Remember that Promise..
"We don't have to run anymore Padme. Don't you see? I can Destroy him."
Anakin wanted to kill the dictator, the sith lord, the evil trying to take the entire galaxy of worlds.. and save what was good.
Just as V remembers "Valerie"....Anakin remembers the soul, the meaning in Padme.
He told her when she came to him, he saw the Faith she had that he must have a reason.. he told her on Mustafar that he must finish what he was already stuck in.. Because in the end his plan was that he WOULD KILL the dictator.
That his plan was to destroy him, bring an end to the destruction, the wars, save the Republic, democracy, save his love, his wife, his life, and his child, and with her at his side Rule.. to bring PEACE and JUSTICE to his galaxy.
Anakin believes this.. he believes he can do this and that it is only him that can do it... he sacrifices all that he has to try. One must TRY.
V is much MUCH the same. He does not give up on the vision that HE is the one to do what must be done to destroy the corruption.
..Just Like V.. Anakin waits..
V also explained to Evey and to the detective later on... that he had to wait.. there were things not in place.. things that had to fall into place.. like Dominoes. PATIENCE and FAITH lead both to ultimate victory...
...but there is one thing that Lucas never tells us through the films.
Anakin Waits... But he is waiting.. for his child. His son.
Lucas tells us Anakin knows of Luke for 20 years. Lucas just does not reveal it in the films....or he does if you want to look deeper into the films :)
Lucas has said that Anakin knows of one of his children. One surviving child. The boy.
In the beginning, in ep 3, he felt his plan had so far brought peace and justice to his galaxy, that he had done this to save Padme and his baby.. that he saved the galaxy, and could save them from the sith, and the dictator ship...
With MUCH sacrifice he was successful in getting just close enough to the sith Dictator to be able to gain his trust so he could slay him once his back turned.. destroy him and take over.
.. he does not see that he will end up a slave to the same Sith he wants to conquer... because of his hatred of him, his fears, and because those close to him also have fears and hate, they also want revenge for what they have seen in the 3 year war before this.. and they are blinded by it all... they (obiwan especially) turn on him destroying and burning Anakins body beyond recognition ~ just as V is destroyed outwardly and doomed to wear a mask then on.
When Anakin tells Padme he wishes to rule with her, Padme sees in him Idealism, desperation, and a HUGE gamble. She sees and FEARS the reality that all of this could fail.. SO BADLY.
Padme begins to cry and plead with him to come away with her.. anywhere.. just AWAY.
Evey also has a moment when she pleads with V not to "do this" and to come Away, to not leave her.
YET Both characters know that they have come to far already.. and they must finish what they have begun.
Each character remembers a beautiful and dreaming woman.. Anakin remembers Padme and her dreams, V remembers the woman that lived in the cell next to his.. Valerie. And by that time, he also remembers Evey, as he has fallen in love with her by then.
Anger rises as both are imprisoned in a world full of corruption.. a world that they both know they can fight.
V's plans to overthrow the injustice that was happening around him BEGIN while he is imprisoned.
He is number 5 or "V" there.
He then causes the explosions and destruction at all costs of the medical facility/Prison... Everything is set fire and destroyed. During this fight, he is burned badly, as badly as Anakin..
Yet V survives.. why? Somehow he can still breathe on his own.
V says "...because mr. creedy behind this mask there is more than flesh, behind this mask there is an idea mr creedy.. and Ideas are BULLETPROOF."
Watch the film carefully.. and you will see his story.... V has chemicals in his bloodstream from the experiments they did on the prisoners that have made him special, make him MORE than human.. he is different. He is stronger.
We all know that Anakin is also different. No experiments, just a body filled with "midchlorians" a count higher than master Yoda, higher than any Jedi ever.
It is known he is the chosen one, but.. chosen "to bring balance" back how? HOW can he bring balance as prophecy says?
We don't learn how Anakin/Vader will do this until much much later in rotj. Just as we really don't know V's plans until the movie plays out.. we know a little and gain a little more each moment we watch.
V ...and Vader himself do not know how they will fulfill their dreams.. or what they know to be their destiny either. They simply HOLD ON. And WAIT.
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In V for Vendetta, V is alone. He has no one at his side for 20 years. Vader is the same. He is alone. He is loyal to no one. Appearances are deceiving. Masks have many uses.
Their plans are waiting.. the plot gets thicker as time goes on. Vader is staying close to this dictator in order to find a way to Destroy him and seize power back. He tells this to his son, just as he once told this to Padme in ep3.
Each of them planning on destroying the dictator, but in 2 different ways.
Each filled with anger, each longing to be free.. each not brought to the light until they feel that they can truly love again, that the light of the world is still out there, ..Evey is that light for V. Vaders son is that light for him.
How did they become masked "causes" walking??
In the fire V causes in that medical facility he was imprisoned in and tested on.. V is burned to badly to show his face and so.. wears his mask.
The mask represents who he is in the world not who he is inside. It represents an idea.. a secret, a plan. An identity to take on in order to remain strong.
Anakin is the same. He refuses to be called Anakin any longer.. as he tells Luke. He has become someone else and it is important for his son to see that.
Yet Luke does not give up.. he knows he can feel something inside.. something beyond that mask.
EVEY feels the SAME way about V... that V doesn't understand he is not only a tool for justice or a vendetta for the past crimes and current dictatorship.. he is human, he is good. Although V does not really realize she is right until the moment of his death...
V was totally BETRAYED by his own people, his government, and whomever took him away, to that prison.. we do not know how he got there.. not in the film.
Once there, it is only a matter of time before he gains his strength from the medical experiments and feels ready to let his anger RAGE high enough to focus and DESTROY the facility and all in it. He does. And he almost pays for it with his life.
Betrayal for Anakin happens when he realizes the sith.. (a man who he thought was a good man, a politician, and a father figure) reveals himself to be a liar.
He finds out that this man is in fact the one who has tried to kill his wife all these years, the one who started the wars, the one who has been destroying all Democracy. After fighting 3 years in the clone wars, Anakin has to face this very ugly truth.
When Anakin finds this out.. he raises his blade.
Knowing that murdering sidious with so much revenge, hatred, vengence, anger, and pain within him.. could lead him to darkness.. he instead goes to the Jedi.. to Mace.
Anakin tries to come with Mace as Mace leaves to arrest Sidious.. to stop Mace from corrupting himself with anger, rage, and all the things Jedi should not have in their soul.
Anakin himself was tempted to KILL the sith and he instead came back to the Jedi knowing.. murder was not the Jedi way. Now he wants to come with Mace. BUT He is told that he cannot.
So after waiting for a long while in tears in the temple he sees he must go.. Mace is in danger.. and the sith who promised to help him save Padme somehow.. may die before Anakin learns that power.. SO he fears loss of his wife, his child, of Mace, of the republic, and the beginning of great danger in the galaxy itself... He must go and he must be there... ((what would you have done?))
Yes they must arrest him. But it is NOT the Jedi way to KILL or Murder. Mace does not want to go by the Jedi way once Anakin arrives, and the darkness that has clouded all for so long, seems to have clouded Mace as well.
By the time he gets there, Mace is too far gone. Anakin truly begs first, and after realizing Mace hears none of what he is saying, and as Mace raises his blade to Kill.. the heat of the moment strikes Anakin and he then takes Mace's hand off before he can strike and murder.
He does this to Stop him, also to save him, to keep him from falling to the darkness that sidious taunts Luke with later in ROTJ.. "yes strike me down.. and you will belong to me" .....Anakin knows Mace must NOT do this.
What he does not realize... is that the sith is pretending to be the victimized old man that he appears to be.. and is not as weak as he is pretending at the time that he is.
The sith sidious is waiting for a chance to KILL Mace. Anakin underestimates sidious power. Mace is then killed when the sith sends him flying out the window in a flash of lightning....
What should Anakin do now...
..he is faced with the Dictator, with Evil that could run the Galaxy soon now. There is no arresting him now, there is more power than he thought in him.. and now, he has fallen for another of his tricks.. and lost his friend.. a GREAT Jedi just fell because of anger and lust for revenge. ((If Mace is affected by that kind of lust for revenge and hatred.. what of the others?)) Anakin is unsure of everything now.. one of the highest Jedi he has ever known was corrupted by hatred, anger.. and then they both were tricked so easily by this sithlord Dictator.. Anakin truly feels lost now. Alone.
Anakin knows he must not lose Padme.. or his baby. He must not let this creature rule the galaxy. But.. how can he win now. How can he bring this galaxy back to balance and out of the hands of evil?? ...A Plan begins to FORM.
He does as he is told. Anakin kneels... (and he lies).
He must stop this. But how?? ..he must stay near this sith, near enough to kill him.. and kill him soon. He must keep his new plan. He HAS to. There is no other way to Anakin but to do it himself.
So.. when he should pledge himself to the sith as master and teacher he instead pledges this... "I pledge myself to your teachings" (teachings only) this tells us that he has NOT given up on the idea that he MUST kill this beast.
He succeeds in tricking the sith because he is so emotionally lost, terrified within, and confused. I believe the sith sees this, and knows if Anakin is plotting to overthrow and kill him, he knows confusion may anakin himself.
Anakins confusion does in the end almost destroy him. He will NOT give up.. despite pleadings from Padme..
Despite his own inner feelings and fears. He was TOLD he was special, JUST LIKE V... and he takes on his ROLE.. he then is Vader.
He truly has become a "cause walking".. no longer just a man.. but a "man in a mask".
..he only now needs the mask itself. He gets it when his closest friend and brother figure comes ..to KILL him.
He arrives on Mustafar after sacrificing the few to save the many.. you can see him changing within.. the hatred rising inside of him once he is on Mustafar. Tears run down his face in the short moment he has alone.
He then suddenly senses his wife.... and runs to her as she leaves her ship to find him..
Anakin is privately tells his wife Padme on Mustafar what is happening, but most of all about his plans to destroy the sith..
Padme doesn't understand the feelings of fear, hatred, vengence.. and then this almost unbelievable plan he has that puts everything Anakin is at stake. She becomes terrified for him, she cries.. and she doesn't understand.
Right as Anakin is trying so badly to make her see the hope he sees, the faith he is trying to keep within him.. and the reasoning he has for risking everything to save all that matters...
A sight that is unbelivable comes sneaking out of her ship. Obiwan, who hid himself upon Anakins wifes ship comes walking out. The rage raises to a boil within Anakin.. not only does anakin believe obiwan turned padme against him.. but he knows, he senses.. the one he calls BROTHER has come to kill. To kill him. BETRAYAL.
"Liar!!" he shouts to Obiwan. Again confusion overwhelms him, how can this be?? And again he trusts no one now. Did Padme know Obiwan was on the ship? How could she not?
Anakin doesnt know Obiwan would do something as low as to be slippery as a snake and HIDE ON HER SHIP without her knowing, in order to use Padme to find him and murder him. Ani doesn't know this. Obiwan? How could he have done that???
Padme is also in shock that Obiwan would hide himself there without telling her.. she looks back and forth at both of them and suddenly sees.. a battle must be coming.. she shakes her head in fears and steps back..
Anakin knows Obiwan HAS come to KILL To destroy what he believes is completely evil. Himself. Obiwan doesnt ask Anakin about what is happening. One could say that Obiwan is the first to see Anakin as a mask as a Villain, and not as a person anymore. Not as anything but a Mask.
Remember though::: Padme does not lose sight of Anakins soul.. her last words were to obiwan in the end of the film.. "there is.. still.. good in..him........."
From the moment Obiwan steps out of the ship.. and Padme fears what is happening.. everything begins to crumble.
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Pride within Obiwan and a sense of duty lead him to overlook his present and look to far into the future.. assuming too much. His master Quigon told him when he was a padwan.. do not look to far into the future.. FOCUS on the HERE and now. A lesson he still had not learned.
Anakin is Enraged. He does not trust anymore. He cannot afford to. He knows he MUST kill the sith, the dictator, the evil that is about to take hold of the galaxy, no one else can.. only he can do this.. he feels it is his destiny.. perhaps even why he was called the chosen one.
This is VERY similar to how V feels about himself, his place, his meaning, and why he lives and breathes.. he too must destroy the dictator, the evil.. and avenge.
.. and obiwan stands in Anakins way. And what of Padme, did she REALLY do this? No she did not.. yet Anakin is too confused to see what is before him. He is now about to be killed by the one person who was his family.. who was supposed to love and care for him as a brother would, his mentor, ally, friend... But now this person has come to KILL HIM.
Who is left that is not corrupted? He turns to Padme and holds her breath until she passes out. (Later you hear vader saying that he knew she was alive and felt it.. he did not kill her, that would be destroying 3 of the main reasons he had done all that he has done thus far to keep his PLAN) ...Keeping her OUT of the extremely dangerous situation.
Obiwan won't have her or his children and that is sure to Anakin.. and after she falls unconcious that is EXACTLY what Anakin YELLS to Obiwan.
"YOU WILL NOT TAKE HER FROM ME"
Padme lives to wake and to birth the twins... he does not do all of this, just to destroy what he is trying to SAVE! (more on that below)
Desperation within Anakin comes to a boil. He seems trapped on all sides.. He must destroy the sith.. yet.. the jedi too are corrupt. Remember: after seeing Mace fall to the anger, rage, hatred and all that corrupts Jedi so easily.. what faith can he have in the less strong Jedi? How can he believe they will not also fall and become corrupt, twisted, or sith?? He does not know. He does as he is told and through that experience.. he then firmly believes the Jedi are corrupted and must start over..
Anakin destroys all that has to do with what has become so corrupt.. what has spread to everywhere and what is infecting everything with darkness... Just as V destroys the building and medical facilities no matter who was in them.. V bombs the entire faciltiy.. Anakin destroys all evidence of what could lead to more corruption.. (blinded by rage, fear, and vengence.. and a need to gain the sith dictators trust.. to get close enough to DO SO)
He was told he was the chosen one who would bring balance.. he is different.. he has the power to do this. Just as V knew he also had the ability to do what he had to do.. both of them murder and destroy in order to destroy what they feel they must for their own reasons... and both end up in the fires.. burning.
Confusion overwhelms Anakin.. he MUST follow through with his plan!! After all that he has done, as far as he has come, and as close as he is to finally ending all of it..... here is obiwan, sword in hand, there to kill Anakin (brother against brother).
Obiwan knows Nothing of any of this. And he does not ask. At no point to you hear him ask why. At no point do you hear anakin have a chance to tell obiwan what he has told padme.
Anakin just wants to pass by Obiwan and be let go.. he wants to go on with his plan and leave this situation.
BUT betrayal follows him. Instead of asking, hearing, or demanding to know Anakins thoughts, mind or true inner plan (to destroy the sith) he choses to truly believe Anakin has joined their cause (suddenly and for no reason) and is truthfully loyal to the sith lord.
Obiwan himself tells Luke in the next episode ep4 that luke will find many of the truths we hold depend greatly on our own point of view.. something Luke does not quite understand, nor do many. Yet sadly its true in reality as it is in story.
...Padme cannot help Anakin. She is now unconcious and cannot stand up and tell anyone what she knows.. what he TOLD her...
Anakin pleads to him "dont make me kill you" and Obiwan continues to see "the mask".. chosing to believe what his perception tells him.. prejucice overwhelms obiwan.. and suddenly... Obiwan raises the FIRST blade. It is NOT Anakin who choses to fight. It is his brother figure, his mentor, his friend, his partner.. that BETRAYS everything in Anakin.. refuses to listen.. and sees only a Mask.
When Evey met V for the first time in the alley way.. even though he had just saved her life.. she is afraid of him. She sees what she sees and is prejudice. The first thing she asks V.. even after his wonderful speech about who he is, what he stands for and what he plans to destroy.. she still asks him.. "..are you, like a crazy person?" No one is immune to fear. What is sad is that Obiwan knew anakin, and still was too blind to see the truth of what was happening.
Once Obiwan raises his blade, Anakin is forced to fight.... and in the end.. his feelings cloud his battle.. and he does not win. He is cut by Obiwan.. his legs completely gone. His good arm gone.. as he burns in the fires.. just as V did.
Both Anakin and V burn in the very fires that they were using to destroy what they saw was evil.. what corruption and evil they knew they must fight and destroy on their own.. Both V and vader/anakin had the best of intentions at hand... and yet their violence and hatred of the evil around them corrupted their way of seeing things.. those last moments burned both of them.
All that is left of Anakin is his mechanical hand.. and his WILL to survive.. and of course his body, a body that LIKE V is special and can survive what most would die immediately from.. he is almost totally destroyed and now.. and Obiwan watches him.. lets him Burn. As if burning someone at the stake.. prejudice and unwillingness to listen leading to murder.. killing his student, brother, and friend.
NOTE: Remember too... sith Sidious when in disguise as a good politician and friend of Anakin, said to Anakin while in chains (from a fake kidnapping) as Ani faced Count Dooku and did not know if he should kill him... "He is too dangerous to be left alive" ..Anakin fell for this.. and did not forgive what he had done.
He later kept saying NO it (murder) was NOT the Jedi way.. and now.. it is Obiwan who is thinking Anakin is "too dangerous to be left alive". A Jedi thinking like a sith?? Corruption is EVERYWHERE.
So... The NAME Anakin dies there in the lava.. as a Jedi who should be kind, forgiving, and have FAITH.. who should not kill ..especially when that person is rendered helpless.. as Anakin is now.. just watches him burn.
The name Vader was already taken by him.. but not truly. Now, the name Anakin represents to Vader all that he failed at.. all the life he lived before where everything was out of his control. Vader is born because of the hatred of the "Jedi" that begins there. He is still Anakin.. but will no longer let anyone call him that.. he will embrace his mask, cover his burns, and former life.. and go on as a "cause walking" ..
BURNING ALIVE he screams to obiwan "I hate you!!!!" and seals his own fate with hatred. The darkside dwells in him even more now.. because of pain and suffering that came from fear and hatred.. even though there were such good intentions it did not matter.. everything fell apart.
And with every scream of pain Anakin sees all his plans failing, the galaxy falling into the hands of the sith snake, and even obiwan ..corrupted. Unimaginable pain goes through the entire soul of this character at this point.
V explains that kind of HATRED to Evey when she confronts him after his fake interrogation of her.. to make her stronger. She screams that she hates him, that he is evil.. and he replies.. "THATS it! you see at first I thought it was Hate too.. Hate was all I knew.. it built my world, it taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to Breathe!! ..I thought I'd die with all the Hate in my veins ....but then something happened... it happened to me just as it happened to you."
V is talking about the one thing within all of us that is stronger than Hate or love or fear, or anything this world brings us... the tiny grain of sand we keep.. it is ourselves, our honor, integrity..what we stand for, what we believe. SILENTLY or loudly.. it is what really shows we are alive. Evey learned how to conquer fear by realising that dying behind the chemical sheds would have been better than her giving up the location of V and telling those questioning her what they wanted. She would not lose her secret. She would not betray her calling or what she felt the meaning of her life was at the time.
Vader is the same. He does not ever betray the promise he makes to his wife on mustafar. He does not ever forget he must destroy the sithlord.. he only waits.. lucas has said.. for his son because he does not believe he can do it alone. Not anymore. SO..... hatred becomes not as powerful as FAITH.
Vader..and V.. both have to hide now, to keep that secret until the TIME is right, until things fall into place.. until it is the day they wait for. This creates an independent person in V and vader. One that causes them both to not totally trust ANYONE. Even when Evey stays with V it is because he does not trust her to be silent about him. He feels she could betray him too.
All that is left to believe in.. for BOTH anakin/vader and V is their own FAITH.. for anakin it is Totally in the Force itself. FAITH is the opposite of fear and it is the only way for them both to survive. They NEED their Faith.
Anakin believed and still continues to believe in the humility that no jedi No one knows all.. or knows what the future holds.. or the mind of the Force.
Obiwan represents to Anakin now, a jedi that is corrupted so much by fear, war, hatred, blindness, vengence, that was blind to the good intentions Anakin had... becoming as cruel as the siths that he has fought.
While V is in prison he too watches corrupt people all around him, not caring about who they are harming.. not seeing human beings.. only numbers. So when V takes on his mask he calls himself by his NUMBER. He is number 5.. or V.
On that GROUND.. where Anakin burned.. BURN as V burned ..He sees.. his plan to kill the sithlord has come to an end...hasn't it? How can he do it now? Will he even live????
He does live. He does go on. Just as V lives. And goes on.
.....Anakin Wakes....
Underneath his mask.. after the birth of the babies and the death of Padme... Anakin senses a missing presence. Padme. ..He did not kill her. Anakin causes her to lose her breath and become unconcious.
If he had not, she would have been involved in a bloody and terrible battle, putting their unborn at risk.. and herself at risk.. Anakin does not know if she thinks him evil.. or what lies obiwan could have told her, he screams this in the scene after she collapses.. "YOU WILL NOT TAKE HER FROM ME!" So, to anakin, he removed her from the threat of danger and the confusion that was all around.
NOTE please:: He does NOT mean to kill what he has been trying to SAVE this entire time!! Proof of this is at the end. When Anakin wakes behind his mask.. when he responds with is voice to the sith.. and asks...
"WHERE is Padme??"
.. he is unaware that the PROMISE the sith made to help him SAVE her was a lie.. he expects her to live, to have survived what he almost did not.
Padme is gone. Just as V is emotionally destroyed by the death of the actress in the cell beside him.. Valerie. Vader (Anakin) crumbles hearing Padme has not survived.
Was all that he did for NOTHING?? Now he has lost his limbs and this means he lost so much of his powers.. he believes now what the Jedi taught him, that loss of limbs is loss of midichlorians or the things in the blood that give a Jedi his/her power.
So...now.. he is a slave again. Trapped behind a mask.. with only HOPE and FAITH that somehow, someway.. he will get his Vendetta done.. get his vengence..
I am SURE that the character of V went through these same feelings after being so badly burned.. after watching so many die.. yet both chose to begin to NOT give up.
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When he asks "Where is PADME...?" The sithlord continues once again to lie to him in order to increase Vaders rage, anger, pain, and everything that will try to tear down all that Anakin once was and convert him even more to the darkside.. the darkness within us..
.....the dark feelings that could have consumed V as well....
This sith "Sidious" also does this with Vaders son Luke in Return of the Jedi.. he tries to CORRUPT him. Keep that in mind.. Anakin hears the voice of this Sith he was planning to destroy.. tell him she is DEAD.. And not only that but that HE killed her. He is in Shock. He knows.. these are LIES... Anakin hears the lies still coming out of the sith to Anakins ears.. and he panics.. thinking this could NOT be real.. he could not have failed after all of this!!
REMEMBER what he says.. Anakin responds to this lie.. He says...
"No.. NO!.. That.. THAT is NOT POSSIBLE.. she was ALIVE.. I FELT it!!!"
He knows he did not kill her.. and this means that like his nightmare, she did die in childbirth, and he was not there.. to save her.
V was unable to save Valerie as well.. he was unable to do anything.. and after her death.. he plots to destroy the entire facility. which leads to his Burning almost to death as well.
ANGER rises to a boiling point as Anakin/Vader sees he is trapped behind a mask with no wife or child, no one, no family, no brother, nothing left, no self, all his plans a failure.. and he then DESTROYS the med lab he woke in.. IN RAGE...
After that.. he continues what he planned before.. he knows as V also knows.. it is time.. Now he must play his ROLE
.. For V this means to stay out of sight, planning and plotting for the one day 20 years from then that he will have all his Dominoes in order.. the time when he will set the world ablaze in order to save it and kill the dictator.
Anakin also sees what ROLE he must play, different but so simmilar.. he must stay at the dictators side, the closest to him.. invisible in that the sith does not expect vengence in vaders plans.. he stays closer than anyone else.. so that one day.. Faith will reward him, and he WILL KILL sidious.
Vader finds out about his son.. by EP 4 the son he knows exists suddenly shows himself.. and Vader sees by the destruction of the deathstar.. someday that boy WILL be strong enough to do what he believes he can no longer do. DESTROY sidious.
V meets Evey when the time comes for him to begin his plan in action as well.. and he remarks to her..
"Evey.. E..V... of course you are.." "What does that mean?" "It means that I like god do NOT play with dice or believe in coincidence." V someway knows Evey is the one to help him.
When Anakin suffers the loss of his powers from the losses of his limbs (lucas said) this keeps him from the Faith he had in his own ability to fight Sidious and WIN. He was kneeling first to trick the Sith, and then ending up kneeling to keep his enemy Close.. Just as V stays in the shadows... both characters wait 20 years.. for the RIGHT moment.. biding their time and waiting.
Again Anakin takes on the slave role. He knows how to do it. Yes he still plots, but silently.. (Lucas tells us YES he does know of his son, and waits for him.. this is his "only hope" and the meaning of "A New Hope") We don't find out for sure in the trilogy that Vader is NOT LOYAL to the so called empire until "Empire strikes back".. a GREAT moment.
A slave to a Sith YET patient in his FAITH in the Force to one day come with his son, when he will over take Sidious and rule just like he planned years ago.. to "fix" HIS galaxy. (See ep3) and "end this destructive conflict" (see ep 5)
The promise he made in episode 3.. the whole idea he had to SAVE his galaxy, his wife, his unborn children, his future, the galaxy, and the future of the Republic.. in the end.. all fails.. BUT now.. with is son.. fire is set again in his heart and HOPE comes alive.
Evey does this for V.. V finds in her more hope in human kind.. more belief that there are others like her.. just afraid, but strong enough to stand up when V calls on them. And he is renewed and ready.
...He BELIEVES That with his son, with the Force, with FAITH.... he CAN do it.. they 2 can win... Just as he believed he and Padme could rule together husband and wife.. this later this changes to father and son.
QUOTE: "We don't have to run anymore, don't you see? I have brought Peace to the Republic! I can destroy the Sith, and we can rule together.." ~Anakin
..Naive? Maybe. But aren't all good intentions a little naive? This good intent was in his heart.. It was LOVE was what pushed him too far... FAITH never left him.
My favorite quote: "I find your lack of FAITH disturbing.." it was the moment I knew he was not loyal. Being a child and seeing this at 6yrs old I was so impressed. I saw that it was possible for anyone to overcome any odds if they play their cards right.. or should I say line up their Dominoes correctly?
Like V, Anakin becomes badly burned by the struggle he causes to win against the Odds.. with part of his soul destroyed, he lives on.
There is more than the need to LIVE within us.. there is much more.
Ideas are bulletproof.
Evey also learns this later in V for Vendetta.... So both V and Anakin live their lives behind a MASK or an image if you will..... ready to play their part.....
..An image.. waiting and plotting and as V in V for Vendetta says; "playing his PART (his role)" ..Waiting and having FAITH.
Both V and Vader were good people DEEP inside.. they once had their "roles" in society and they loved and were loved back.. now they both are "cast as both Victim and Villian by the vestitudes of fate..."
....they were not "a CAUSE walking" yet.. they were human once... not hidden away behind masks.
....Also they were not hidden only because of such horrible burns to their skin, but also in their minds.. because of the burns to their heart and soul. Trying each living day to keep the candle of FAITH..
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Burning... changing.. V and Anakin...
In the stories, Dictators in charge, society fell and with society the characters became victims and they were caught up in the realities around them....
Inside, both were visionary and both rebellious. Both were special and stood out as well.. both were said to have reflexes beyond belief and abilities that were unheard of.
V has these abilities because he is infected with a virus.. and the virus gives them to him. Anakin is born that way.
....FAITH.....
V is so much the same.. relying only on his own hope, his faith, and his plans.. waiting also to overthrow a dictator..... .....and make things the way that he believes they should be.
Both spend 20yrs planning HOW to destroy this dictator that took everything from them, from their worlds, their lives..
But later they both find something much more important than an agenda.. or revenge.. they find that their strong INNER faith is even stronger than they imagined.
As the stories go on.. Vader later finds hope for his own SELF personally inside his son when his son is unafraid to love his father no matter what... and when his son faces his certain death in ROTJ with unconditional love.. and no fear..
Evey also does this.. she develops unconditional love for V.. and teaches V this same lesson.
Vader waits 20 years for his son to grow and become Jedi so that he can help him destroy the sith... and plays his part staying close enough to kill the emperor sith when the time comes... only to see his son teach him that he had the power the entire time that he was waiting.
Vader/Anakin does not realize that unconditional love will be shown to him... that one day his son Luke will come and this deep within saves his heart by relighting HOPE within him again.. his faith will soon grow again and he will destroy the dictator on his own... even without Luke.
V finds this same type of unconditional love within Evey.. she does Not at first understand and she is fearful....
...Yet she grows.. she grows by the VERY harsh testing that V puts her through and she grows by her own learning.. just like Luke. Both young ones are tested harshly and come through it all.
It is a very hard road but one that both Evey and Luke travel in these stories...
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So many similarities in these 2 films with these 2 characters....
So.. Vader waited for Luke JUST as V waits for Evey to become strong so that she may join him on the 5th of November
YET... when she does things turn out much different than V ever imagined in his plans.
And Like Evey, Luke also finds that he has "found something else" inside himself.... something more important than his life.
So instead of facing his death in ROTJ with fear and unsureness.. willing to do anything to live.. Luke was stronger than that...
We know what happens in the end.. He defies the Emperor/sith and this wakes the strength within Anakin.... the belief that Anakin CAN do this alone.. that is is truly not Lukes place.. it is Anakins fate to bring balance (destroy the sith)
....It is Anakins calling alone to bring Balance.....
He also knew his father had good dwelling within, Vader would not want to destroy this dictator and rule if he did not have good still dwelling, waiting within him...
Evey thinks similarly.... she focuses on what V is trying to do in the end and not on his acts on t.v. and in the media.. and she learns to accept his methods as just the way that he has become, whether he is too harsh or not. Evey learns to just be loving toward the man behind the mask and that love redeems V in many ways
This is the same for Vader, as Lukes unconditional love for his father redeems Vader... Both Evey and Luke decide to wait and see..
Both V and Vader wait for the death of a terrible dictator, and both end up finding someone who teaches them the true power of Faith.... and of Love.
It is proven to them inside that the light truly can beat the darkness and fire does not have to be fought with fire, but love is even stronger.
Both such Gorgeous Stories!!!!!!!!
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Everyone remembers when Vader told his son, "YOU can destroy the emperor, he has forseen it.. JOIN me, and we will bring an end to this destructive conflict.. and rule together as Father and Son...!"
Yet that day, in Fear, he denies his father and thinks all of it is just Lies. He is wrong.
When the day comes when Vaders son understands.. Luke also reminds Vader that he can sense the good in him, and asks him to let go of his hate...
Just as Padme first did not understand how determined V was.. and tried to get him to turn from violence and the way he led his life.. Luke tries to get his father to turn away, turn back...
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